[uf-new] Re: hAtom is not a silver bullet

Martin McEvoy martin at weborganics.co.uk
Thu May 3 17:44:01 PDT 2007

Oh dear!

I dont mean to be abrupt with you guys but think we are all getting a
bit off the path with all this

Manu, you are right hAtom is not "a silver bullet" no one ever suggested
it was. 

David, I would argue that publishing music and blog publishing have
similarities but we have already established that hAtom may not be the
solution to the hAudio problem. 

hAudio  may be something we can sprinkle in to other microformats such
as hAtom or any future media-info microformat.


what we did decide was in any media-info microformat the download url is
not going to be necessary, not important to media info, but a highly
important factor of music-downloads.

so the media-info discussion was broken down into pieces, audio info
first, then video and images will hopefully fit in (although I doubt

I hope everyone is up to speed on what we are trying to do now.

On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 19:16 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
> David Janes wrote:
> > However, your characterization of hAtom as having a "syndication"
> > background / being some sort of syndication format is wrong
> I'm sure I am being dense... but I thought Atom was all about
> syndication? Perhaps we have different definitions of what "syndication"
> means?
> "S: (n) syndication (selling (an article or cartoon) for publication in
> many magazines or newspapers at the same time) 'he received a
> comfortable income from the syndication of his work'" [1]
> "In general, syndication means the distribution a news article through a
> syndicate - in this case an RSS feed - for publication in a number of
> newspapers or periodicals simultaneously. Used in the context of RSS
> because RSS syndication is all about distributing content for reuse or
> redistribution on other websites." [2]
> "Created by leading service providers, tool vendors and independent
> developers, Atom is designed to be a universal publishing standard for
> personal content and weblogs." [3]
> Am I confusing syndication with publishing? Are they really that different?
> > Yes, we
> > refer to the Atom standard, but as appropriate one is expected to make
> > the mapping when it talks about "atom feed" to "the content being
> > marked up with hAtom" -- the same way when reading hCard we know we're
> > talking about content being marked up with that rather than a block of
> > vCard text.
> Please clarify - the above didn't really make any sense to me (I'm not
> being difficult, I really don't get what you are attempting to say).
> Are there a large number of examples of hAtom being used for anything
> else than syndication/blogging/news article publishing?
> Perhaps your viewpoint can be backed up with some examples that I am
> unaware of? Who is currently using hAtom for
> non-syndication/non-blogging/non-news article-based publishing? Please
> don't use corner-cases!
> -- manu
> [1] http://wordnet.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=syndication
> [2] http://www.rsstoolchest.com/rss-glossary.html
> [3] http://www.atomenabled.org/
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