[uf-new] [hAudio] fn _or_ album

[Martin McEvoy]

On Sun, 2007-11-04 at 07:22 -0700, Scott Reynen wrote:
> On Nov 4, 2007, at 2:28 AM, Julian Stahnke wrote:
> 
> >>>> <div class="haudio">
> >>>> <span class="fn">In Rainbows</span>
> >>>> </div>
> >>>
> >>> No, that’d be a track.
> >>
> >> That would be an audio recording.  It may be a track, or an album,  
> >> or something else entirely, but there's not enough information in  
> >> the markup to determine anything more than it's an audio recording.
> >
> > Oops, sorry. But why could it be an album, wouldn’t it need to be  
> > ‘fn album’ then?
> 
> It would, but the lack of that doesn't make it not an album; it just  
> makes it ambiguous.
> 
> On Nov 4, 2007, at 3:16 AM, Martin McEvoy wrote:
> 
> > This is whats confusing about the whole "fn album" proposal
> >
> > "fn album", means album
> > "album", means album
> > "fn" means the name of the haudio object... which could be and album?
> 
> Trying thinking of it like this:
> 
> 1) class="album" means name of album
> 2) class="fn" means name of audio
> 3) If name of album and name of audio are same, audio is album.

Which is the clearest definition I have read yet thank you Scott.

"3) If name of album and name of audio are same, audio is album."

This is the bit that's causing me concern "fn album" is being used to
set a fn type of album, all other use cases of "fn" in Microformats
depend on a predicate being set and the subject matter? eg:

in hListing
http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting#Extended_Examples

 <div class="hlisting">
   <p>
     <span class="item">
        <span class="fn">Parking space</span>
      </span>
[...]

the predicate is "item" hlisting => item => fn
the subject is Parking space

in hReview
http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview#Multidimensional_Restaurant_Review

<div class="hreview">
 <div class="item vcard">
  <div class="fn org summary">Cafe Borrone</div>
[...]

again the predicate is "item" hreview => item => vcard => fn
the subject is a vcard fn exists here as not part of the hreview but as
part of the reviewer vcard

another example of this is 
http://microformats.org/wiki/hreview#Product_review

<div class="hreview"><span class="item">
 <a class="url fn" href="http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000089CJI/">
  <img src="http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B000089CJI.01._SCTHUMBZZZ_.jpg" 
       alt="Album cover photo: The Postal Service: Give Up. " 
       class="photo" />
The Postal Service: Give Up</a></span>

[...]

the predicate is "item" hreview => item => url => fn
the subject is The Postal Service: Give Up

What seems to be proposed is a new First case usage of "fn" being used
outside of hCard and without it being part of item...

Now can you see why I am concerned about this proposal?


Thanks

Martin
> 
> The third factor is not a re-definition of the property names when  
> combined (there is no such thing in HTML); it's a consequence of two  
> distinct properties having the same value (whether or not they're in  
> the same element).
> 
> --
> Scott Reynen
> MakeDataMakeSense.com
> 
> 
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