[uf-new] [hAudio] fn _or_ album

[Martin McEvoy]

On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 12:27 -0500, Manu Sporny wrote:
> Martin McEvoy wrote:
> > On Mon, 2007-11-05 at 08:14 -0700, Scott Reynen wrote:
> >>> A track unknown album, detailed:
> >>> <span class="haudio">
> >>> <span class="item">
> >>>      <span class="fn">Hokkaido Dream</span>
> >>>      <abbr class="duration" title="PT3M24S">3:24</abbr>
> >>>   </span>
> >>> </span>
> >> That adds an extra layer of container where none really exists.
> >> Item  
> >> of what?  We're only talking about a single song here, so why can't
> >> a  
> >> publisher just focus on that song without wrapping a container
> >> around  
> >> it?  Not every song even belongs to an album, so it's not just
> >> unknown  
> >> albums this would be forcing publishers to markup; it's also non- 
> >> existent albums. 
> > 
> > Yeh I thought that item  it wasn't needed too, but In the concept of
> > haudio, hAudio isnt a track Its an Album
> 
> Ah-ha! Here is the issue with this thread. You are assuming that hAudio,
> by default, is an album. It is absolutely not. I thought we had
> addressed this issue, but quite clearly we have not.
> 
> hAudio does not default to being a track or an album. You seem to claim
> one or the other when we talk about this topic and I think you are
> missing something very fundamental about hAudio.

Thank You Manu

> 
> hAudio is not about TRACKS or ALBUMS by default. hAudio is about an
> audio recording. This is the fundamental underpinning to hAudio.

Although Almost exclusively throughout the entire development of hAudio
we have been talking about "albums" and "tracks" both in our discussions
and in our examples
http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples#Analysis_of_Music_Services

so forgive my misunderstanding, 

haudio is a about nothing specific other than a recording correct?

Thanks

Martin

> 
> We cannot move forward in this thread until everybody agrees that hAudio
> is about an audio recording.
> 
> A track is an audio recording. An album is an audio recording. However,
> to say that hAudio is an album by default is wrong. hAudio is an audio
> recording by default. ONLY when ALBUM is specified do we know that the
> hAudio is about an audio recording that is an album.
> 
> > <span class="haudio">
> >       <span class="fn">Hokkaido Dream</span>
> >       <abbr class="duration" title="PT3M24S">3:24</abbr>
> > </span>
> > 
> > There is no way to know if this is a Track, also FN is apearing out of
> > context because FN is a child of Item when describing tracks in hAudio
> 
> Yes, that is correct. Remember, we killed the concept of a TRACK. There
> is no such thing anymore. The only thing that we know about the above
> example is that the hAudio is describing an audio recording.
> 
> hAudio has the concept of an audio recording.
> 
> hAudio has the concept of an audio recording that is an album.
> 
> > Is hAudio to be regarded as a track too?
> 
> hAudio is an audio recording. Don't use the term TRACK as that is
> leading to confusion, people might think that you mean the TRACK
> proposal of a couple of weeks ago.
> 
> > It would be nice if we could do something like
> > 
> > <span class="haudio item">
> >       <span class="fn">Hokkaido Dream</span>
> >       <abbr class="duration" title="PT3M24S">3:24</abbr>
> > </span>
> > 
> > To describe a single track Item and hAudio have identical meaning in
> > this context?
> 
> ITEM isn't needed in this case, you'd write it as the following:
> 
> <span class="haudio">
>    <span class="fn">Hokkaido Dream</span>
>    <abbr class="duration" title="PT3M24S">3:24</abbr>
> </span>
> 
> The hAudio above is about an audio recording. That is all we know.
> 
> It could be about a track, a song, a podcast, an opera, a sound effect,
> an audio book, or a poem. We don't know... but what we do know is that
> it is about an audio recording.
> 
> -- manu
> 
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