[uf-new] hAudio: audio-title/album-title vs. recording/album

Andy Mabbett andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk
Sat Oct 13 09:13:48 PDT 2007

In message <1192288664.875.93.camel at localhost.localdomain>, Martin
McEvoy <martin at weborganics.co.uk> writes (corrected per his follow-up)

>> > 4:46, in plain English, is not an abbreviation of "P268T".
>> No you are correct it isn't It needs changing.
>would this work:
><abbr class="duration" title="267600">4:46</abbr>
>title is expressed in milliseconds 4:46 is a human readable

It would "work", in that could be parsed; but "4:46" is *not* an
abbreviation of "267600". Consider, also that that might be in a table
whose column-title is "duration in minutes and seconds".

If the evidence is that people are publishing times as "4:46", why not
simply allow them to do so as part of this microformat:

        <span class="duration">4:46</span>

and for longer works:

        <span class="duration">1:16:00</span>

Where the pattern is:

        nn (seconds)

        nn:nn (minutes and seconds)

        nn:nn:nn (hours, minutes and seconds)

Additionally, decimal values in seconds could be allowed:


That said, 4'46", 4m46s and 4mins 46secs, and more, have to be catered
for. This:

        <abbr class="duration" title="4:46">4m 46s</abbr>

is less of an abuse of abbr, but still not right.

I think we should resolve the abbr-accessibility "elephant in the room",
once and for all, before introducing any new mis-uses of abbr. After
all, it was identified over a year ago...

Andy Mabbett

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