[uf-new] Album Vs audio-title (was hAudio ITEM debate proposal #3)
martin at weborganics.co.uk
Tue Oct 30 14:20:03 PST 2007
On Tue, 2007-10-30 at 15:29 -0600, Scott Reynen wrote:
> On Oct 30, 2007, at 1:22 PM, Martin McEvoy wrote:
> > class="fn nickname" does the same as class="fn org"
> > formated name type nickname
> > formated name type organization.
> > But then I dont have to tell you that either?
> That's actually useful to know you think that. I believe you're
> misunderstanding what those mean. class="fn nickname" does not mean
> the FN is of type NICKNAME. It means the contained content is
> classified as FN and also classified as NICKNAME. That may sound like
> a pedantic difference, but it's important to avoid thinking two
> classes used together mean the same thing, or that either class has
> any effect on what the other means. class="fn org", similarly,
> assigns two distinct classes to the same content. Putting them in
> separate elements would mean the exact same thing. They mean
> different things and don't change each other's meaning at all. It's
> the identical value of FN and ORG (whether or not they're the same
> element) that indicates the subtype of the hCard, whereas an identical
> value of FN and NICKNAME carries no such meaning.
> > > How should we describe a single track and its album title?
> > > Currently
> > > we'd do that like this:
> > >
> > > <p class="haudio">
> > > I like the song <span class="fn">Everything in Its Right
> > > Place</span>
> > > on <span class="album">Kid A</span>.
> > > </p>
> > >
> > > I'm not clear what you see as the alternative without separate
> > > properties.
> > >
> > <p class="haudio">
> > I like the song <span class="item fn">Everything in Its Right
> > Place</span>
> > on <span class="audio-title">Kid A</span>.
> > </p>
> > doesn't rock the boat much does it?
> I'd say it does, but probably not where you intended. HTML's class
> attribute doesn't allow for sub-properties in the same element, as
> you've done with class="item fn". After making that change, we're to
Right? I didnt know that I think someone mentioned before that item and
fn cant be used in that way but never got round to explaining why?
then this is probably wrong?
<span class="item fn">Parking space</span>
<span class="offer rent">for rent</span>
(<abbr class="dtlisted" title="20060202">2/2/06</abbr>)
or am I misunderstanding something else? :)
> <p class="haudio">
> I like the song <span class="item"><span class="fn">Everything in Its
> Right Place</span></span>
> on <span class="audio-title">Kid A</span>.
> After that, you've made two changes. First, you changed "album" to
> "audio-title." With only the context of an album to go on, these
> appear to mean the exact same thing, so if you intend "audio-title" to
> mean something different, please explain what exactly. The other
> change is adding ITEM as a wrapper around the song's name. Again, I'm
> not sure what purpose this serves. By definition (and by the
> examples), there are more individual recordings of audio than
> collections, so I think it makes sense to assume audio is not a
> collection unless otherwise indicated. You seem to be making the
> opposite assumption?
Yes I am making the opposite assumption, haudio (to me and probably
others) stopped being about a single audio recording the moment we
decided it may be wise to merge halbum's track and album-title with
hAudio, when upon reflection it may have been simpler to merge hAudio
into hAlbum as most of the time this seems to be what we are talking
I dont think I am suggesting anything new for hAudio in-fact i am
intending slimming down the proposal by removing both album-title and
track In favour of re-using the Item microfomat
http://microformats.org/wiki/item for tracks and only using audio-title
(instead of both audio-title and album-title) as the main hAudio title
> Scott Reynen
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