[uf-new] hAudio 1.0 Draft Release

Martin McEvoy martin at weborganics.co.uk
Wed Oct 29 07:46:07 PST 2008

Hello Scott...

Scott Reynen wrote:
> On [Oct 29], at [ Oct 29] 7:39 , Martin McEvoy wrote:
>> The above information has been the crux of my issues with the 
>> audio-info process, because we haven't YET created a microformat for 
>> Music Downloads.
>> The Proposal to create a Microformat for Music Downloads (If any one 
>> remembers) was first posted by Marian Steinbach in 
>> microformats-discuss[1], and later re-posted to microformats-new[2]:
>> [1] 
>> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-February/008848.html 
>> [2] 
>> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-March/000028.html 
> It seems to me you're conflating two distinct efforts here, 
> understandably as they have a lot in common.  But they're not really 
> the same.  The emails you cited led to work on a "media-info" 
> microformat, which seems to match your focus, but never went very far:
> http://microformats.org/wiki/media-info-brainstorming

Yes you are right that is about where I became really interested in 
microformats.. I thing I might like to point out at this point is that 
even that discussion recognized the difference between "the File" and 
the information surrounding the file "the Content"


> This has a problem statement that is clearly different from the 
> problem statement of what ultimately came to be known as hAudio, found 
> here:
> http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples
> The end of the latter problem statement explicitly rejects the focus 
> on downloadable files you're seeking:
>> The audio information need not be associated with a file. Note that 
>> audio content (The Payback by James Brown) is very different from the 
>> audio file format (192Kbps, stereo MP3). The goal of this discussion 
>> is to create a Microformat draft for marking up audio metadata and 
>> information.
> This has been the problem statement from the very beginning, and this 
> problem attracted enough interest to push toward a solution.  It 
> doesn't seem to be a solution to the problem you want to solve, 
> though.  So if hAudio doesn't solve your problem, what do you do now?


> You tried earlier to start a new microformat with a new focus, but I 
> think your framing of it in terms of hAudio distracted from what you 
> actually wanted to do.  


> It seems to me now that what you want to do is close enough to the 
> previous media-info work that you should consider starting with what's 
> already been done.

Again correct, my only issue is that the media-info-examples pages[1] 
contains the same Service Publishing of music Examples as the 
audio-info-examples pages[2]


I would find myself in the same situation as I find myself with hAudio, 
I would possibly have to reject all the examples that didn't concern 
themselves with a final download, that is the reason why I wanted to 
propose a new microformat that actually deals with an audio file 
itself.. which seems like a good foundation for a new microformat a 
media-download format

Thanks for your attention Scott, much appreciated :-)
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Martin McEvoy


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