[uf-new] hAudio issue D2 "title"

[Martin McEvoy]

Hello Tantek

Tantek Celik wrote:
> Martin,
>
> The first option you provide illustrates the fundamental problem with this issue, which is that the meaning we are trying to express is the name of the track / hAudio item. Even the iTunes UI refers to the "Name" (select a track in iTunes, Get Info, click the Info tab, note the first field).
>
> For microformats, we already have a property for the meaning of "name", and that's "fn". It specifically means "formatted name" but that simply reflects the fact that it means the name as published (as it is shown) rather than some abstract structural name, and "as published" is precisely what we want in microformats since we are marking up visible content *published* on the web.
>
> "fn" is already used to mean name in hCard (from vCard), and for the names of hReview items and hListing items.
> Per the naming principle of not introducing two properties for the same meaning (see wiki/naming-principles ), we should have simply reused "fn" for this long ago.
>   
 "fn" was changed to "title" because it was over used in haudio,

haudio title => fn
haudio contributor = fn
item title = fn

and what If the author of the audio came first? very messy and uninspired

I will accept however that haudio Items should use "fn" because thats 
how Item is used in all other Microformats

<div class="item">
<span class="fn">blah</span>
</div>

"n" simply wont do either "The name of the unit" what does that mean? it 
seems deliberately vague to me what is a unit? is it defined in 
microformats?, sorry Tantek I'm just thinking out loud :-)
>  
> In addition, from a process perspective, please use the wiki not email for brainstorming and opinions on proposals. Tracking this in email over time is nearly impossible.
>
> Please place the options on wiki/audio-brainstorming along with nested list items for individuals to offer their +/-1 (or 0) opinion with username and any comments explaining their opinion.
>   

Done see,  
http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-issues#D2:_2008-01-10_Overloading_.22fn.22

Please add your support for any of the resolutions on the page above, or 
add your own resolution.
> Thanks,
>
> Tantek
>
>   
Best wishes

Martin McEvoy
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Martin McEvoy <martin at weborganics.co.uk>
>
> Date: Mon, 01 Sep 2008 13:28:15 
> To: For discussion of new microformats.<microformats-new at microformats.org>
> Subject: [uf-new] hAudio issue D2 "title"
>
>
> Hello all
>
> I have left this issue until last because this is the longest and 
> probably the most contentious issue of them all issue D2 hAudio Title[1] 
> originally  marked as Overloading "fn"
>
> The current discussion around  hAudio Title[2] is at the moment that It 
> can't be used because its already defined in hcard[3] to mean "Job 
> Title"[4]
>
> [1] 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio-issues#D2:_2008-01-10_Overloading_.22fn.22.
> [2] http://microformats.org/wiki/haudio#Title
> [3] http://microformats.org/wiki/hcard
> [3] http://www.w3.org/2002/12/cal/rfc2426#sec3.5.1
>
> There are currently three possible resolutions:
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Resolution 1:
>
> Use "NAME"
>
> [...]
> Name http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Name
> "A name is a label for a human or animal, thing, place, product (as in a
> brand name) and even an idea or concept, normally used to distinguish
> one from another. Names can identify a class or category of things, or a
> single thing, either uniquely, or within a given context."
> [...]
>
> A Proposal was made in an email on March 5th 2008 by Myself.
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2008-March/001555.html
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Resoulution 2:
>
> Use  "HTITLE"
>
> [...]
> "hTitle can then be reused in any microformat that needs a "title"
> property. hTitle has been given a root class name as it is intended to
> be used in conjunction with any other root class microformat and mirrors
> the association semantics expressed by hfeed => hentry  in hAtom"
> [...]
>
> A Proposal was made in an email on Aug 13th 2008 by Myself.
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2008-August/001692.html
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Resoulution 3:
>
> Use "AUDIO-TITLE"
>
> As tentatively proposed by Manu Spony in an email on Wed Aug 13th 2008
> http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2008-August/001692.html
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> If anyone would like to support any of the above resolutions please add 
> a +1(plus one) to the resolution along with any comments you would like 
> to add similarly you can add your disapproval and reasons why with a 
> -1(minus one). Of course If you have another resolution please reply to 
> this email with your proposal.
>
>
> Best Wishes
>
> Martin McEvoy
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