hrecipe-issues

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This page reflects issues raised about the hRecipe microformat.

Past issues captured during brainstorming towards hRecipe can be found in recipe-issues.

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• open issue! 2008-12-27 raised by Tantek Çelik

• 1. Too many properties. From reviewing the recipe-examples, it does not appear that the schema implied by the examples justify the number of properties in hRecipe, especially for a first draft. microformats should start as small as possible (even smaller), and in this regard I believe several improvements could be made. There is one obvious example of recipe-title vs recipe-summary, but it looks like there may be more. Would appreciate feedback from folks who add hRecipe to the recipes on the web regarding which properties they ended up not using.
     • proposed resolution: Drop "recipe-title". In reviewing the examples, few (if any?) include *both* a title and a summary, and in practice the semantics of usage in the context of recipes appears to be virtually indistinguishable. Therefore we don't need both, and following in the pattern provided by hCalendar (which got it from RFC2445), we should keep the more generic concept of a "summary" and drop the concept of "title" from hRecipe.
     • hRecipe certainly is not a very short format, but that stems from the complexity of the topic. Other seemingly simple issues like vCards also have a lot of properties. 'Nutrition' could be a candidate for a microformat on it's own - but then, since it can be reused anyway, why bother? If your issue leads to the proposal that we should keep this in mind and wait for implementations to prove the point then I agree - although of course I think that it's as short as reasonably possible.I disagree with the proposed resolution though - title and summary are different things and they are used differently in the real world. They are wo different elements in Dublin Core and I find no Thesaurus listing them together. Plus I personally am not aware of any recipes that don't have a title. The summary could be dropped but to what advantage since you are right with your next point and summary is already defined elsewhere? The real problem lies in the usage of 'title' in hCard and can't be solved by shoehorning other titles in something else. TomLurge 17:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  2. Unnecessary recipe prefixing of summary property. Note: this is a re-opening of an issue from recipe-issues. The usage of summary in recipes appears to be very similar to that used for events. Rephrased, insufficient (if any?) evidence has been provided that summary means anything "special" enough (distinguishing it from the generic term "summary" as used in microformats) in the context of recipes to merit prefixing and thus a new property.
     • proposed resolution: Re-use generic "summary" property rather than introducing a recipe microformat scoped "recipe-summary" property.
     • I agree principally but there are different "summary"s around: The hReview-Draft specifies a summary as "This optional field serves as a title for the review itself" while the hCalendar Draft refers to RFC 2445 which defines summary as "This property defines a short summary or subject for the calendar component". I certainly agree more with the semantics from RFC 2445 but referring to either of the two doesn't make much sense right now. Since you are editor of both hReview and hCalendar maybe you can clarify the subject? If hReview would be aligned with RFC 2445 then I would promote dropping the prefix.TomLurge 17:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  3. author is re-used from hAtom not hCard. minor issue. the "author" property is actually re-used from hAtom rather than hCard - hCard has no such property.
     • Yikes! Corrected... TomLurge 17:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)
  4. preparation-time could re-use duration instead - it appears that the "preparation-time" semantic basically means the "duration" of the recipe, and thus could re-use that property from hCalendar rather than introducing a new property name.
     • proposed resolution: change "preparation-time" to "duration" and note re-use from hCalendar - or at least document how preparation-time is a different enough semantic from "duration" to justify the introduction of a new term.
     • One difference is that hCalendar duration is a singular property whereas hRecipe's preparation-time is plural. Also, preparation-time will often (typically) use value+note subproperties, while duration will usually be an ISO 8601 duration. TobyInk 20:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
     • Also, if an hRecipe is nested within an hCalendar (e.g. a vtodo containing an hRecipe within the description), we probably wouldn't want naïve hCalendar parsers using an hRecipe's cooking time as the entire duration of the hCalendar component. TobyInk 20:32, 29 December 2008 (UTC)
     • Although there is no such thing as a "duration of a recipe" the semantics are close enough to justify the reuse of "duration" from hCalendar. But hCalender is just a refactoring of RFC 2445 which demands ISO style durations which are rather un-intuitive and I would be more concerend about implementors turned away by such requirements than by too many properties. RFC 2445 permits multiple duration values "if the property permits" so that should be fine. Result: I don't know... Btw: hCalender needs more love if it's really meant to be reused. "... editor's note: this list is incomplete (an incomplete list is better than no list) and is being currently edited from RFC2445 to here." imho is not good enough, especially not for a 'specification'. And RFC 2445 is not exactly an easy read. TomLurge 17:52, 6 January 2009 (UTC)

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related pages

• hRecipe
• hRecipe feedback for general feedback on hRecipe.
• recipe microformat effort development
• recipe-issues past issues raised and resolved during recipe-brainstorming towards the development of hRecipe.