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Revision as of 14:24, 14 February 2006
Datatypes in HTML
One of the challenges of using HTML as a data transport is that everything, by default, is a string. This page explores ways to use microformats -- specifically, class names -- to encode data type information, e.g., for use with xoxo and rest/ahah, in order to allow lossless import/export from various languages. These could also be used with forms to provide rest/descriptions of the type of data expected.
Contributors
- Dr. Ernie Prabhakar
- Chris RG
- Mark Rickerby
- Robert Bachmann
- Kevin Marks
- Tantek Çelik
Examples
These are the primary datatypes in a range of different languages and formats. Note that we are only concerned with "primitive" datatypes (loosely defined), as structured datatypes (list/array, hash/dictionary) are handled by xoxo.
Language/format | string | float | integer | boolean | data | date/time | null |
---|---|---|---|---|---|---|---|
XML Schema | string | float, double | decimal, integer, etc. | boolean | hexBinary, base64Binary | duration, dateTime, date, time | nil |
XML-RPC | string | double | i4, int | boolean | base64 | dateTime.iso8601 | nil |
Mac OS X plists | string | real | integer | true, false | data | date | nil |
JSON (JavaScript) | string | number | number | true, false | N/A | Date | nil |
YAML tags | str | int | float | bool | null (base 64) | N/A | null |
SQL (JDBC) | char,varchar | float, double, real | decimal, numeric | bit | binary | date, time, timestamp | ? |
C | char[] | float, double | int, long, short | bool, int | char[] | N/A | (void*)0 |
Java | char, String | float, double | int, long, short, byte | boolean | N/A | util.Date | null |
PHP | string | float (double) | integer | boolean | array | N/A | NULL |
Perl | array | scalar | scalar | scalar | array | N/A | |
Python | str | float, complex | int, long | bool | binascii, base64 | time,datetime | |
Ruby + lib | String | Float | Fixnum, Bignum | TrueClass,FalseClass | Hash | Date | NilClass |
REBOL | string! | decimal! | integer! | logic! | binary! | date!, time! | none! |
Analysis
The most common set of datatypes appears to be those represented by XML-RPC, which (perhaps fortunately) also has historical precedence on the web:
- string
- double
- int [i4] - 4-byte integer (32-bit)
- boolean (0,1)
- base64
- Lets call this 'binary' as the encoding is in the data: url, and DRY applies
- RFC 2426 uses "B", which, when lowercased per microformats naming-principles is 'b'. -Tantek
- dateTime[.iso8601]
Whlle not perfect, these certainly cover the 80% case, and are reasonably well-defined. That said, there are a number of open questions about how to use them:
- should 'string' also be explicitly specified, or can it be assumed?
- Assumed, and also defined as utf-8. Kevin Marks 16:39, 13 Feb 2006 (PST)
- Agreed with Kevin. 'string' should be the default if no type is specified. Publishers MAY explicitly specify 'string'.
- Shouldn't the encoding be that of the page the markup is found on (as specified in the HTTP and HTML specs), rather than defined as utf-8? Jim Ancona
- does 'int' always mean 32-bits?
- If so, what should be used for 64-bit integers or cryptographic (256-bit+) numbers?
- Python's 'long' is simple, but ambiguous.
- Ruby's BigNum is clear but much less common.
- XML-Schema has so many types it is hard to say.
- In this case, XML-Schema makes the distinction that 'int' represents a standard 32 bit integer, while 'integer' represents a signed integer of arbitrary length.
- SQL's "decimal", perhaps?
- If not, how should conforming implementations react to longer integers than they can handle?
- I think integer is fine - we don't have an explict constraint here. Do you want to define +Inf -Inf and NaN behaviour? Certainly when building testcases and examples include these.
- If so, what should be used for 64-bit integers or cryptographic (256-bit+) numbers?
- Is it worth deviating from the standard to allow "dateTime" as an alias? (the one case where XML Schema is actually simpler)
- See comments below regarding date-time.
Proposal
The proposal is to adopt XML-RPC scalar values as the class names for typed microformats, with the following caveats:
- the alias 'i4' for integer SHOULD not be used
- the name 'long' MAY be used for 64-bit or longer integers
- for 'dateTime'
- can we make this 'datetime' ? Kevin Marks 16:39, 13 Feb 2006 (PST)
- microformats don't use camel case. please see naming-principles. alternatives (Tantek):
- date-time (if you consider it to be two words)
- datetime (as proposed by Kevin, if you think it is one word)
- dt (reusing the common prefix shared by existing microformat class names: dtstart, dtend, dtreviewed from hCalendar and hReview. We could also make that a general rule for microformat class names for properties which take ISO8601 datetimes. (Tantek)
- the trailing '.iso8601' MUST be omitted, as '.' is not (always?) valid in HTML class names
- '.' is neither a valid HTML class name, nor a valid character (unescaped at least) in a CSS class selector. - Tantek
- date/time formats SHOULD follow the W3C profile of ISO 8601
- a more human-readable rendering may be used, with the ISO8601 value in an "abbr"
- binary data SHOULD be encoded in a data: URI, with an explicit ContentType and a human-readable description as the body of the anchor.
- if no datatype is specified, an implementation MAY either attempt to infer a datatype from the syntax of the value, or simply assert that the value is a string. Thus, conforming implementations SHOULD always explicitly label strings.
- Disagree - either we are labelling datatypes and thus labelling string is redundant, or we are trying to guess from syntax. If the latter this whole spec is unnecessary. Kevin Marks 16:39, 13 Feb 2006 (PST)
- Agreed with Kevin. Let's keep 'string' as the default, and allow explicit usage of it. -Tantek
To indicate that a particular micforomat uses typed values, precede that microformat with the class name 'typed', as in:
<ol class="typed xoxo">
Example
<dl class="typed xoxo"> <dt>key</dt><dd class="string">value</dd> <dt>integer</dt><dd class="int">137</dd> <dt>real</dt><dd class="double">3.14159265</dd> <dt>date</dt><dd class="dateTime">1994-11-05T13:15:30Z</dd> <dt>date(abbr)</dt><dd class="dateTime"><abbr title="1994-11-05">November 5, 1994</abbr></dd> <dt>true</dt><dd class="boolean">1</dd> <dt>false</dt><dd class="boolean">0</dd> <dt>data</dt><dd class="base64"><a href="data:;base64,sdcfo2JTiXE=" type="image/jpg">my image</a></dd> </dl>
Example revised with above suggestions:
<dl class="typed xoxo"> <dt>key</dt><dd>value</dd> <dt>integer</dt><dd class="int">137</dd> <dt>real</dt><dd class="double">3.14159265</dd> <dt>date</dt><dd class="datetime">1994-11-05T13:15:30Z</dd> <dt>date(abbr)</dt><dd class="datetime"><abbr title="1994-11-05">November 5, 1994</abbr></dd> <dt>true</dt><dd class="boolean">1</dd> <dt>false</dt><dd class="boolean">0</dd> <dt>data</dt><dd class="binary"><a href="data:;base64,sdcfo2JTiXE=" type="image/jpg">my image</a></dd> </dl>
Note: XOXO always starts with either ol
or ul
. The dl
in XOXO is always used to declare the properties of a specific li
. These examples should be updated accordingly. -Tantek
References
- Datatypes in Wikipedia
- Origional datatype discussion
- Original plist datatype mapping proposal
- Revised xoxo datatype proposal