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Microformat Issues

These are externally raised issues about microformats in general (these issues MUST apply to more than one microformat, which MUST be explicitly listed, otherwise the issue should be raised on the format specific issues page) with broadly varying degrees of merit. Thus some issues are REJECTED for a number of obvious reasons (but still documented here in case they are re-raised), and others contain longer discussions. Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in the spec. Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — Tantek

As this is a general microformats issues page, please only note concrete real world issues. Theoretical issues will be deleted, as will any issues raised that do not contain documentation of specific real-world examples that use real-world microformats (not just brainstorms).

Issues

Format Specific Issues

Please raise format specific issues on the respective page:

IP Issues

  • 2006-12-08 raised by Andy Mabbett.
    1. As discussed in [1], the current position on the IP rights relating to microformats is unclear, or at least not clearly expressed. It seems to me that there should be an unambiguous statement of the current position, either for each individual format, or collectively, on a page to which people with concerns may be directed.
      • ACCEPTED. A clearer statement of both copyright and patents both in specific specs and in general would be a good thing. In general, the end result that our current copyright/patent statements seek is Creative Commons, W3C, and IETF compatibility in terms of both copyrights, and royalty free patent policies. I will work on this Tantek 11:58, 9 Dec 2006 (PST)
        • open issue! This appears to be unresolved; and in the light of, for example, hCard#Copyright the hCard 'spec', the statement in the FAQ that "Microformats are open standards licensed under Creative Commons Attribution" to be, at best, erroneous and misleading. Andy Mabbett 11:04, 10 Mar 2007 (PST)
        • Also causing concern here. Prompt resolution would be advisable Andy Mabbett 09:04, 24 Mar 2007 (PDT)
          • First, citation is not ready for use in Wikipedia anyway. Second, what is unclear about the Creative Commons/W3C/IETF license and patent statements? This appears to be a theoretical issue / nitpick. Yes, things can be made clearer, but "erroneous" and "misleading" are inaccurate labels.
          • This is not a citation issue. For example, hCard's current copyright statement is not compatible with the Creative Commons license:

            This specification is (C) 2004-2024 by the authors. However, the authors intend to submit (or already have submitted, see details in the spec) this specification to a standards body with a liberal copyright/licensing policy such as the GMPG, IETF, and/or W3C. Anyone wishing to contribute should read their copyright principles, policies and licenses (e.g. the GMPG Principles) and agree to them, including licensing of all contributions under all required licenses (e.g. CC-by 1.0 and later), before contributing.


            If you look at the wikicode, this is actually the "MicroFormatCopyrightStatement2004" default microformat copyright.--JoeAndrieu 15:09, 24 Mar 2007 (PDT)
  • Further to the above (but out-dented for clarity), hResume cedes copyright to "the authors": "This specification is (C) 2006 by the authors"; and names just one author; Ryan King. What legal standing does the "the authors (sic) intend to submit..." clause have? What exists, to reassure someone (or some mega corporation's lawyers) contemplating or already using hResume that they won't be invoiced by Mr King? Why aren't the other people who contributed to that spec jointly credited with its copyright? Andy Mabbett 17:34, 24 Mar 2007 (PDT)
  • Also, there appears to be nothing on buttons to say that they're freely licensed, or public-domain. Andy Mabbett 03:01, 25 Mar 2007 (PDT)

Legal Entity Issues

2007-03-24 raised by Joe Andrieu, clarified by Rohit Khare on 2007-03-27.

  1. What is the legal entity responsible for operating microformats.org?
    • Rohit Khare originally registered the microformats.com and .org domain names on 2005-01-25 and LLC, a non-profit 'think tank' with a long history as a neutral sponsor for developing standards for Internet commerce (often, in conjunction with other formal standards bodies). CommerceNet currently underwrites the server hosting costs and, in the past, has co-ordinated donations with other sponsors for events such as the anniversary party, the workshop where the site was launched, and promotional items.
  2. What is the legal entity responsible for the intellectual property on microformats.org?
    • The current microformats copyright statement recognizes that IP is originally vested in the author(s), who are then expected to share those rights with the community by permitting their redistribution on microformats.org's wiki, blog, and mailing list archives. The additional distinction of becoming a specification may come with additional obligations to redistribute IP, such as a formal Creative Commons copyright license and a royalty-free patent license.
    • Note that CommerceNet, LLC does not exercise any editorial control over the content of the site, mailing list, specifications, or the process, nor does it accept funds on behalf of microformats.org (see the disclaimer). Conversely, the Admins do not have any independent legal identity at present, such as a partnership, foundation, or corporation. Please refer any legal questions or concerns directly to CommerceNet before raising them as a matter of public record, as discussed on the mailing list [2].
  3. open issue! Neither of these address the initial open issue, namely, "What legal entity owns and controls microformats?"
    • One option is CommerceNet. Namely that microformats remains an activity operating, for legal purposes, under the perview of CommerceNet's non-profit corporation.
    • Another option is that microformats is an unincorporated association, pursuant to California Corporations Code Section 18035:

      18035. (a) "Unincorporated association" means an unincorporated group of two or more persons joined by mutual consent for a common lawful purpose, whether organized for profit or not.

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    • It could also be a general partnership, persuant to the UNIFORM PARTNERSHIP ACT OF 1994 of the California Corporations Code; however, that specifically requires the intent of the association to be "for profit." As such, unless the Admins have that intention, I doubt microformats falls under that distinction:

      16202. (a) Except as otherwise provided in subdivision (b), the association of two or more persons to carry on as coowners a business for profit forms a partnership, whether or not the persons intend to form a partnership.

      --JoeAndrieu 22:52, 24 Mar 2007 (PDT)
    • Btw, before someone asks "Why California?" I looked up relevant California regs because CommerceNet was/is based in Calfornia and at the time I wrote this, the DNS lookup for both microformats.org and the hosting company John Companies, were in California. Rohit has since updated the DNS record and other jurisdictions could definitely apply. As I said previously, I am not a lawyer; I just figured the CA laws are probably a useful reference point to help clarify the issue.--JoeAndrieu 03:09, 25 Mar 2007 (PDT)
    • Whois microformats.org?
Registrant Name:ROHIT KHARE
Registrant Organization:on behalf of microformats.org
Registrant State/Province:NY
(A matter of public record). Andy Mabbett 01:29, 25 Mar 2007 (PDT)

Governance Issues

See: governance-issues

Miscellaneous issues

  • open issue! 2006-10-17 raised by Andy Mabbett on wiki-feedback; moved here 2007-03-10.
    1. What is currently described as a "specification" on hCard and hCalendar is no such thing.
    2. Andy, what would it take to turn it into a "specification"?--JoeAndrieu 15:13, 24 Mar 2007 (PDT)

New Issues

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Please use this format (copy and paste this to the end of the list to add your issues):

  • open issue! YYYY-MM-DD raised by YOURNAME.
    1. Issue 1: Here is the first issue I have.
    2. Issue 2: Here is the second issue I have.

See also

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