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These are externally raised issues about microformats in general (these issues MUST apply to more than one microformat, which MUST be explicitly listed, otherwise the issue should be raised on the format specific issues page) with broadly varying degrees of merit. Thus some issues are REJECTED for a number of obvious reasons (but still documented here in case they are re-raised), and others contain longer discussions. Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in the spec. Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — [http://tantek.com/log/ Tantek]
These are externally raised issues about microformats in general.


As this is a general microformats issues page, please only note ''concrete'' real world issues. Theoretical issues will be deleted, as will any issues raised that do not contain documentation of specific real-world examples that use real-world microformats (not just brainstorms).
Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in one or more specifications or microformats in general. Some issues may be REJECTED for a variety of brief reasons, and others contain longer discussions.  


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As this is a general microformats issues page, please only note ''concrete'' real world issues.  Theoretical issues may be deleted, as will any issues raised that do not contain documentation of specific real-world examples that use real-world microformats (not just brainstorms).


== Format Specific Issues ==
Please be sure that an issue applies to more than one microformat or pattern, otherwise the issue should be raised on the format/pattern specific issues page. Please check [[issues-resolved]] and [[issues-closed]] to first see if your issue has a resolution.


Please raise format specific issues on the respective page:
Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — [http://tantek.com/log/ Tantek]
* [[hcard-issues]]
 
* [[hcalendar-issues]]
== Closed Issues ==
* [[hreview-issues]]
Resolved issues that have no further actions to take.
* etc.
* See [[issues-closed]]
 
== Resolved Issues ==
Resolved issues that have outstanding [[to-do]] items.
* See [[issues-resolved]]


== Issues ==
== Issues ==
=== IP Issues ===
=== opened 2006 ===
* 2006-12-08 raised by [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]].
 
*# ''As discussed in [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2006-December/007531.html], the current position on the IP rights relating to microformats is unclear, or at least not clearly expressed. It seems to me that there should be an unambiguous statement of the current position, either for each individual format, or collectively, on a page to which people with concerns may be directed.''
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*#* ACCEPTED.  A clearer statement of both copyright and patents both in specific specs and in general would be a good thing. In general, the end result that our current copyright/patent statements seek is Creative Commons, W3C, and IETF compatibility in terms of both copyrights, and royalty free patent policies. I [[to-do#Tantek|will work]] on this [[User:Tantek|Tantek]] 11:58, 9 Dec 2006 (PST)
{{OpenIssue}}
*#** {{OpenIssue}} This appears to be unresolved; and in the light of, for example, [hCard#Copyright the hCard 'spec'], the statement in the FAQ that "[http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q:_Who_controls_microformats.3F Microformats are open standards licensed under Creative Commons Attribution]" to be, at best, erroneous and misleading. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 11:04, 10 Mar 2007 (PST)
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<span class="published">2006-05-11</span>
[http://microformats.org/wiki/index.php?title=hcard-faq&diff=6324&oldid=6323 FAQ by <span class="fn">Brian Suda</span>], expanded/reraised by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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* <strong class="entry-title">why does hCard use "vcard" as the root class or hCalendar use "vevent"?</strong>
** Originally partly [[hcard-faq#Why_does_hCard_use_vcard_as_the_root_class_name|an FAQ written by Brian Suda]], this slight inconsistency between the name of the format and the name of the root class name consistently causes confusion in a large percentage of newcomers to microformats. - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
*** Looks like a typo (just one letter difference)
*** Cognitive dissonance: saying "use hCard" but implying use "vcard" class name, or the implication causing one to just say "use vcard", e.g. [https://twitter.com/cssquirrel/status/129602573635289088 Kyle Weems]: <blockquote>I always end up saying "vcard" instead of "hcard" because I never write "hcard" in the code. It's weird having "two" formats that are 1:1.</blockquote>
*** Ambiguity in discussions, e.g. put "vcard" in your HTML - meaning, class name, or a link to a .vcf file?
*** Cognitive load: extra bit of information to remember when marking up a microformat
*** in contrast to [[hReview]], [[hListing]], [[hRecipe]], etc. which all have root class name same as name of microformat (albeit lowercased, however some publishers have used the 2nd-letter-uppercase version as the root class name, e.g. class="hReview", enough for Google's rich snippet parsers to liberally accept it, so those could be improved as well.).
** Though in microformats we believe very strongly in the [[principle]] of [[reuse]], we have to admit that in this case experience/evidence has shown that this may be a case where we re-used something too far beyond it's original meaning. Or perhaps we errantly called two slightly different things by the same name.
*** '''ACCEPTED PROPOSED RESOLUTION.''' In [[microformats-2]], all vocabularies are named the same as their root class names, e.g. "h-card", "h-event", "h-entry" etc. - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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=== opened 2010 ===
Issues opened/raised in 2010.


=== Governance Issues ===
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* 2007-01-04 raised by [[User:DrErnie|DrErnie]]
{{OpenIssue}}
*# ''As discussed in [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-January/008011.html], there exist various concerns about the lack of clarity regarding governance of the list, wiki, and the specifications themselves. While agree that there does need to be some form of strong leadership to preserve the integrity of the community, I agree with [http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-January/008022.html Colin Barrett] when he said:''
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:::"I think there should be bit more visible superstructure around just who is in this "cabal". It seems to me like the Editors/Authors of the various specs form the majority it of it, but perhaps that should be made a bit more apparent, and the "powers" of an editor (essentially, the ability to veto changes to the wiki, it seems) outlined a bit and some information about how to become an editor (AFIACT, make numerous, quality edits to the Wiki that the other editors approve of)."
<span class="published">2010-08-24</span>
:An entry has been added to the FAQ regarding [http://microformats.org/wiki/faq#Q:_Who_controls_microformats.3F Who controls microformats?].[[User:DrErnie|Dr. Ernie]] 08:48, 2 Feb 2007 (PST)
[http://html5doctor.com/microformats/#comment-10241 raised by <span class="fn">Wim</span>], expanded by [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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* <strong class="entry-title">microformats classes like 'url' or 'region' already in use</strong>. "Using class for the microformat markup is clearly a problem, in part because it’s so easy to overlap with other markup. Authors use classes like “url” or “region” all the time, and might not be aware of the hCard format. All sorts of markup might look like a microformat."
** There has also been an anecdotal report of a design firm who was not (yet) familiar with microformats seeing the "extra" classes that "that don't seem to be used" (without corresponding CSS rules) and asking if they "can remove them". By making microformats class names different from generic words, authors unfamiliar with microformats may at least notice such distinction and infer special functionality accordingly. - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
** ACCEPTED. Pretty sure this was raised before, in IRC/lists elsewhere, but this URL was the earliest one I could find to capture it. - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
** 2011-10-26 [https://twitter.com/richardtvaughan/status/129235473414631424 confirmed by Richard Vaughan]:  
*** "... Microformats can screw with existing CSS rules. ..."  
** [https://twitter.com/richardtvaughan/status/129236380873261057 and follow-up same day also]:
*** "microformats are the easiest as it's just CSS classes, but may be a pain to implement if those class names are already used."
** See also '''Beware of microformats/CSS naming collisions''' section in http://knol.google.com/k/google-rich-snippets-tips-and-tricks (no edit history, date unknown, found 2011-350)
** '''ACCEPTED. PROPOSED RESOLUTION.''' We are fixing this with [[microformats-2]], all property names have prefixes to avoid such collisions. E.g. 'url' becomes 'u-url' and 'region' becomes 'p-region'. See [[microformats-2#h-card|microformats 2: h-card properties]] for more. - [[User:Tantek|Tantek]]
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=== New Issues ===
=== opened 2011 ===
Issues opened/raised in 2011.


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== Template ==
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=== Format Specific Issues ===
Please raise format specific issues on their respective page(s):
 
* [[hatom-issues]]
* [[hcard-issues]]
** [[representative-hcard-issues]]
* [[hcalendar-issues]]
* [[hlisting-issues]]
* [[hresume-issues]]
* [[hreview-issues]]
* [[rel-values-issues]]
** [[rel-home-issues]]
** [[rel-license-issues]]
* [[vote-links-issues]]
* [[xfn-issues]]
* [[xfolk-issues]]
* [[xmdp-issues]]
* [[xoxo-issues]]
** [[xoxo-opml-issues]]
 
Issues regarding microformats in progress (brainstorms etc.) are documented on their respective pages.
 
=== Pattern Specific Issues ===
Please raise pattern specific issues on the respective page:
 
*[[abbr-design-pattern-issues]]
** [[accessibility-issues#abbr-design-pattern]].
*[[include-pattern-issues]]
* etc.


Please use this format (copy and paste this to the end of the list to add your issues):
=== Domain Specific Issues ===
* {{OpenIssue}} YYYY-MM-DD raised by [http://yourhomepage.example.com YOURNAME].
*[[accessibility-issues]]
*# ''Issue 1: Here is the first issue I have.''
*[[code-issues]]
*# ''Issue 2: Here is the second issue I have.''
*[[external-issues]]
*[[tests-issues]]


==See also==
==See also==
*[[accessibility]]
*[[accessibility]]
*[[criticism]]
*[[criticism]]
*[[wiki-feedback]]
*The [[faq|microformats FAQ]], which answers many general criticisms/ issues that have been raised with microformats.
*The [[faq|microformats FAQ]], which answers many general criticisms/ issues that have been raised with microformats.

Latest revision as of 16:28, 18 July 2020


These are externally raised issues about microformats in general.

Some issues may be ACCEPTED and perhaps cause changes or improved explanations in one or more specifications or microformats in general. Some issues may be REJECTED for a variety of brief reasons, and others contain longer discussions.

As this is a general microformats issues page, please only note concrete real world issues. Theoretical issues may be deleted, as will any issues raised that do not contain documentation of specific real-world examples that use real-world microformats (not just brainstorms).

Please be sure that an issue applies to more than one microformat or pattern, otherwise the issue should be raised on the format/pattern specific issues page. Please check issues-resolved and issues-closed to first see if your issue has a resolution.

Submitted issues may (and probably will) be edited and rewritten for better terseness, clarity, calmness, rationality, and as neutral a point of view as possible. Write your issues well. — Tantek

Closed Issues

Resolved issues that have no further actions to take.

Resolved Issues

Resolved issues that have outstanding to-do items.

Issues

opened 2006

open issue! 2006-05-11 FAQ by Brian Suda, expanded/reraised by Tantek

  • why does hCard use "vcard" as the root class or hCalendar use "vevent"?
    • Originally partly an FAQ written by Brian Suda, this slight inconsistency between the name of the format and the name of the root class name consistently causes confusion in a large percentage of newcomers to microformats. - Tantek
      • Looks like a typo (just one letter difference)
      • Cognitive dissonance: saying "use hCard" but implying use "vcard" class name, or the implication causing one to just say "use vcard", e.g. Kyle Weems:

        I always end up saying "vcard" instead of "hcard" because I never write "hcard" in the code. It's weird having "two" formats that are 1:1.

      • Ambiguity in discussions, e.g. put "vcard" in your HTML - meaning, class name, or a link to a .vcf file?
      • Cognitive load: extra bit of information to remember when marking up a microformat
      • in contrast to hReview, hListing, hRecipe, etc. which all have root class name same as name of microformat (albeit lowercased, however some publishers have used the 2nd-letter-uppercase version as the root class name, e.g. class="hReview", enough for Google's rich snippet parsers to liberally accept it, so those could be improved as well.).
    • Though in microformats we believe very strongly in the principle of reuse, we have to admit that in this case experience/evidence has shown that this may be a case where we re-used something too far beyond it's original meaning. Or perhaps we errantly called two slightly different things by the same name.
      • ACCEPTED PROPOSED RESOLUTION. In microformats-2, all vocabularies are named the same as their root class names, e.g. "h-card", "h-event", "h-entry" etc. - Tantek

opened 2010

Issues opened/raised in 2010.

open issue! 2010-08-24 raised by Wim, expanded by Tantek

  • microformats classes like 'url' or 'region' already in use. "Using class for the microformat markup is clearly a problem, in part because it’s so easy to overlap with other markup. Authors use classes like “url” or “region” all the time, and might not be aware of the hCard format. All sorts of markup might look like a microformat."
    • There has also been an anecdotal report of a design firm who was not (yet) familiar with microformats seeing the "extra" classes that "that don't seem to be used" (without corresponding CSS rules) and asking if they "can remove them". By making microformats class names different from generic words, authors unfamiliar with microformats may at least notice such distinction and infer special functionality accordingly. - Tantek
    • ACCEPTED. Pretty sure this was raised before, in IRC/lists elsewhere, but this URL was the earliest one I could find to capture it. - Tantek
    • 2011-10-26 confirmed by Richard Vaughan:
      • "... Microformats can screw with existing CSS rules. ..."
    • and follow-up same day also:
      • "microformats are the easiest as it's just CSS classes, but may be a pain to implement if those class names are already used."
    • See also Beware of microformats/CSS naming collisions section in http://knol.google.com/k/google-rich-snippets-tips-and-tricks (no edit history, date unknown, found 2011-350)
    • ACCEPTED. PROPOSED RESOLUTION. We are fixing this with microformats-2, all property names have prefixes to avoid such collisions. E.g. 'url' becomes 'u-url' and 'region' becomes 'p-region'. See microformats 2: h-card properties for more. - Tantek

opened 2011

Issues opened/raised in 2011.

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* <strong class="entry-title">«Short title of issue»</strong>. «Description of Issue»
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Format Specific Issues

Please raise format specific issues on their respective page(s):

Issues regarding microformats in progress (brainstorms etc.) are documented on their respective pages.

Pattern Specific Issues

Please raise pattern specific issues on the respective page:

Domain Specific Issues

See also