[uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

Tue Oct 24 01:41:58 PDT 2006

>> It'd take a lot to convince me that HEAD isn't the place for meta-data,
for a start ;-) 

I agree with you in concept, but the problem is that (I'm guessing) 99% of
wiki, cms, and forum users will have no access to adding information into
the <HEAD> so you are leaving all of them out in the cold. And I'll bet that
the comprise the vast majority of content creators on the web.

>> You could potentially use that in your markup, but using it with an
'empty' link wouldn't be something that I'd find appealing, 

I agree.  I think a <div> encapsulting the user's content should do just
fine, no?

>> The microformats list and/or IRC channel are, I've found, a great place
to discuss semantic XHTML in general.  I'd encourage you to publish your
data using whatever sensible scheme you deem appropriate, maybe after some
discussion here and elsewhere.

I'll be happy to do that, assuming I don't get shot down for posting
discussions on the list for topics the group has decided not to support. :)

-Mike

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[mailto:microformats-discuss-bounces at microformats.org] On Behalf Of Ciaran
McNulty
Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 6:08 AM
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Subject: Re: [uf-discuss] Visible Data...a Microformat requirement?

On 10/23/06, Mike Schinkel <mikeschinkel at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> I'd suggest could be solved using an appropriate new link at rel, and 
> >> then
> convicing the search engines to pay attention to it ;-)
>
> Do you mean in <head>?   Did you see my earlier comments about wikis, CMS,
> and forums, where the user often may not have control of putting 
> things in <head>?

I did, I'm not sure what to think about it.  It'd take a lot to convince me
that HEAD isn't the place for meta-data, for a start ;-) The similarities
between this and link at rel="alternate" are particularly striking, and so
that's the solution that would immediately suggest itself to me.

a at rel="bookmark" [1] encapsulates some of the semantics of being an
'authoritative version' of an item (for instance in hAtom[2]).  You could
potentially use that in your markup, but using it with an 'empty' link
wouldn't be something that I'd find appealing, YMMV.

> I can do two things; implement it and probably get it wrong because 
> I'd not> have the benefit of feedback from the so many skilled people 
> involved in Microformats, or include in the Microformats process and get
the feedback to make it (and others) the best they can be.

The microformats list and/or IRC channel are, I've found, a great place to
discuss semantic XHTML in general.  I'd encourage you to publish your data
using whatever sensible scheme you deem appropriate, maybe after some
discussion here and elsewhere.

-Ciaran McNulty

  [1]  http://microformats.org/wiki/rel-bookmark#rel.3D.22bookmark.22
  [2]  http://microformats.org/wiki/hatom#Entry_Permalink
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