[microformats-discuss] Re: Blog post format challenge - content vs summary

[Ryan King]

On Aug 13, 2005, at 4:31 PM, David Janes -- BlogMatrix wrote:

> Hi Ryan and Geof,
>
> In Atom ... which seems to me to provide a reasonable definition  
> for blogable content ... you'd probably want to call your enclosure  
> element "entry". The permalink is a little more problematic ... I  
> decided that "entrylink" seemed to make as more sense than the  
> alternatives.

IMHO, any HTML practices should trump Atom (which is why I suggested  
using rel="self bookmark") because it will minimize disruption for  
people who want to adopt this microformat.

> Did you try the Greasemonkey script I mailed out this morning?

Not yet.

-ryan

> You should be able to tweak it to quickly identify the posts (I'm  
> using "xentry" for the top level item, but that's certainly subject  
> to change). In either case, you can see the argument for settling  
> this out.
>
> "summary" is very nice, and also part of the Atom standard; it then  
> differentiates between the full content ("content") and a part of it.
>
> Regards, etc...
> David
> http://www.blogmatrix.com
>
> Ryan King wrote:
>
>> On Aug 13, 2005, at 3:37 PM, Geoffrey Glass wrote:
>>
>>> I've started marking up my blog [1] as a blog microformat   
>>> experiment.  I'm using the same classes as in my annotation  
>>> code,  which is not to say I think they're the best that have  
>>> been  proposed (I don't).
>>>
>> Awesome.
>> A little (hopefully constructive) criticism...
>>
>>> <div class="post">
>>>
>> Not bad, class="item" would be another option.
>>
>>> <h3 class="title">
>>> <a rel="link" href="http://www.geof.net/blog/2005/08/11/indiana-  
>>> jones-school-of-management" title="Permanent link to this   
>>> article">Indiana Jones School of Management</a></h3>
>>>
>> Why not rel="self permalink" ?
>> This is already in use for a lot of blogging platforms, I'm not  
>> sure  if there's a normative definition anywhere, but I think the  
>> semantics  are pretty well established.
>>
>>> <div class="summary">
>>>
>> +1
>>
>>>     <p>I was quite shocked a few weeks back when Google for   
>>> inscrutable reasons decided to bump me to the #1 search result  
>>> for  &#8220;geof&#8221;.  Sometimes it dumps me on the second  
>>> page, now  I&#8217;m #1.  Huh.  Anyway, I thought this this link  
>>> from <a  href="http://ijsm.org/archives/2005/08/07/2-geof/">Geof   
>>> Morris&#8217; Indiana Jones School of Management</a> was  
>>> downright  neighborly. ...</p>
>>> </div>
>>> One thing came up immediately:  the distinction between index  
>>> pages  (with posts summaries) and full content pages.
>>>
>> I think this is a minority of blogs (though I may be wrong) and   
>> probably troublesome. Also, this method of posting has too many   
>> problems for us to solve here.
>> -ryan
>>
>>> I marked up both, using a class of "summary" for excerpts and   
>>> "content" for full content.  On the one hand, I don't like the   
>>> added complexity;  on the other, I suspect there are legitimate  
>>> use  cases for marking up index pages (come to think of it, my   
>>> contextual copy implementation [2] may be one of them).
>>>
>>> Geof
>>>
>>> [1] http://www.geof.net/blog/
>>> [2] http://www.geof.net/code/annotation/demo/ (Smart Copy at the   
>>> bottom)
>>>
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