[uf-discuss] Re: one citation microformat use case (Michael McCracken)

Ryan Cannon ryan at ryancannon.com
Mon Feb 13 07:55:48 PST 2006

I agree that the use of hAtom + citation, or even Atom + citation  
(hCite?) would be a good method to syndicate citation formats. The  
discussion of citations has been kicking up and then dying a number  
of times, and I take some of the blame as one of the people who'd  
like to push the format along not taking enough initiative.

I think the most difficult part of the hCite discussion is framing  
our 80/20. Most bloggers and less formal writers only define  
references to other web sites as a single link, without much in the  
was of data to be marked up by a Microformat, where as academics seem  
to be looking for a locator and authenticity-validator not unlike MLA  
or Chicago, while librarians and others have been talking about  
including even more data in order to form a complete (pardon the  
jargon pun) framework for resource description.

I think the problem that hCite would be trying to solve, however,  
would be the current inability to create a reference (hyper- or not)  
to another work in a way that comports validity information to the  
reader *without viewing the work*. hCite would be an attempt to  
standardize that process and therefore allow both people and tools to  
better understand the information.

Ryan Cannon

Interactive Developer
MSI Student, School of Information
University of Michigan

On 11 Feb 2006, at 3:00 PM, microformats-discuss- 
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> Date: Fri, 10 Feb 2006 19:25:48 -0800
> From: Michael McCracken <michael.mccracken at gmail.com>
> Subject: [uf-discuss] one citation microformat use case
> To: microformats-discuss at microformats.org
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> Hi, I just found the recent conversations about a citation  
> microformat, and
> saw that the discussion slowed down around the same time someone  
> asked about
> what problem we're solving. I'd like to add my two cents:
> I have a particular use case in mind: I would like to have my  
> publications
> list on my home page have enough detail to reconstruct at least a  
> BibTeX
> entry from it, and ideally something richer. I'd also really like  
> to be sure
> that there's an element that's a link to a hard-copy of the  
> referenced item
> for download, if available.
> Given such a microformat, I'd add support to BibDesk to generate it  
> from
> BibTeX (and our upcoming database format), and support to add items  
> from a
> web page directly to a database in BibDesk. I would also like to be  
> able to
> subscribe to a page with data in this format, so I'd know when new
> publications were added.
> So, I'd like to hear opinions (since I'm new to the idea of  
> microformats) on
> how to support subscriptions with the citation format, and whether  
> or not
> it'd be best done by also using hAtom.
> I've been wanting to add this kind of support to BibDesk for years,  
> and the
> number of citation metadata formats has made it difficult to decide  
> on a
> good path to take.
> Thanks,
> -mike
> --
> Michael McCracken
> UCSD CSE PhD Candidate
> research: http://www.cse.ucsd.edu/~mmccrack/
> misc: http://michael-mccracken.net/blog/

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