[uf-discuss] testing results - was hcard question

brian suda brian.suda at gmail.com
Fri Jul 21 08:51:54 PDT 2006

At the moment there are no implementations (that i am aware of) that
also take into account the visual design.

For special properties, such as DESCRIPTION, i have started to take into
consideration the types of elements, <strong> <li>, etc and adjusted the
ASCII output to mimic it as best possible. This currently does NOT take
into consideration CSS, but it is conceivable that it should look for
CSS properties such as DISPLAY: block | inline, etc and the
pseudo-property content-before, content-after (for all the LI purist
that add ','s as content-after on inline string lists) that way the
corresponding ASCII output would be similar.

So, at the moment, just because Implementations do not take into
consideration display:none, doesn't mean that in the future they will as
well. We currently ignore children of DEL elements, you could make an
argument that if you are hiding it and don't want people to see it, then
we should honor that and not transform it... HTML comments are hidden
and ignored... so maybe other hidden content should be as well?

Just food for thought.

Ted Drake wrote:
> Hi Drew
> I'm assuming the microformat scrapers look at the code and not the visual
> design. I've been adding extra information in sections that use display:none
> for microformat purposes and adding the appropriate classes to the content
> that is already in the visual design. On this level, the a include shouldn't
> be a problem if it is using display:none. The screenreader will ignore the
> link. 
> However, you are correct in that a screenreader will announce that a link is
> present. I'll check on our end as well.
> Thanks
> Ted Drake
> Yahoo! Tech  - Tech Made Easy
> Member of the Yahoo! Accessibility Stakeholders Group
> On 20 Jul 2006, at 19:37, Ted Drake wrote:
>> I'm trying the latest version of the include pattern and I'm still not
>> seeing the product title appear in the reviews.  This is near the  
>> top of the
>> page:
>> <h2 id="prodname" class="item fn">Apple iPod nano 2GB Black MP3  
>> Player</h2>
>> And this is in the midst of each review:
>> <a href="#prodname" class="include microformatdetail"></a>
>> The CSS is display:none for .microformatdetail
>> Has this pattern been made official? Is it just that tails is not
>> recognizing it?
> The a.include pattern is very new, and not quite official yet. There  
> are a couple of preliminary implementations around, but I'd be  
> surprised to find it in Tails at this point.
> There were some concerns raised about the screen-reader friendliness  
> of using an empty link element with an href. My attempts to  
> investigate this have fallen flat a little, as my guy with the screen- 
> readers is short on bandwidth. If anyone has access to screen- 
> readers, we're interested in how the various links on the below pages  
> behave:
> http://allinthehead.com/demo/include.html
> http://allinthehead.com/demo/include-verbose.html
> drew.
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