[uf-discuss] haudio contributor

Michael Smethurst Michael.Smethurst at bbc.co.uk
Thu Feb 7 06:33:47 PST 2008

On 7/2/08 11:59, "Andy Mabbett" <andy at pigsonthewing.org.uk> wrote:

> On Thu, February 7, 2008 09:55, Michael Smethurst wrote:
>> This takes me back several months (June 2007) to a thread about whether
>> both music:groups and music:artists_singular should be marked up as
>> organisations:
>> http://www.mail-archive.com/microformats-discuss@microformats.org/msg07887.ht
>> ml
> Please use the canonical archives when citing mailing list posts; we can't
> know that third-arty archives are accurate or comprehensive, or that they
> will always be available.

Many, many apologies
> that post is:
> <http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-discuss/2007-June/009850.ht
> ml>
>> At the time Scott Reynen suggested:
>> <snip>
>> If it's just a generic contact that you know nothing about, I'd say just
>> use fn, as adding org is potentially incorrect information. But if you
>> know it's a music act, I think it makes sense to consider even an
>> individual performer's name to be an organization name in that context.
>> I'd say there's
>> a difference, for example, between Norah Jones the person, who would be
>> <span class="fn">Norah Jones</span>, and Norah Jones the musical act,
>> which would be <span class="fn org">Norah Jones</span>. </snip>
> That strikes me as no more sensible now than it did then. If I cite her,
> as  "Norah Jones said", am I referring to her as a person, or an
> organisation?
> Would her hCard's date of both refer to the day she left her mother's
> womb, or the day the supposed "organisation" was founded?
> Does Mozart become an organisation if I refer to his symphonies, but not
> if I refer to his marriage?
> Do Winston Churchill or Ghandi suddenly become organisations if we refer
> to a recording of one of their speeches, but not one of their books?

I didn't say I supported this view. I just brought it back up cos it seemed
>> ...with artists like Eminem, Madonna, Prince.
>> How is fn optimisation supposed to work here?
> Exactly as it does at present. Those are both formatted names and
> nicknames (and remain nicknames, if you also include the fn of "Marshall
> Bruce Mathers III", "Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie " or "Prince Rogers
> Nelson").

Not sure I follow. The hcard wiki page says nickname optimisation  happens
when " "FN" and "ORG" are not the same, and the value of the "FN" property
is exactly one word. What would:
<span class="fn">Madonna Louise Ciccone Ritchie</span>
Result in?

Also what about artists like Plastic Bertram? I assume that's not a given +
family name combination

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