[Audio] Playlists and Albums (was: Re: [uf-new] item property)

Tue Oct 16 16:30:36 PDT 2007

Hello Andy

I have enjoyed our debates over the weekend it was Interesting

....

On Tue, 2007-10-16 at 07:18 +0100, Andy Mabbett wrote:
> >all I have to go on is the Field definition on the wiki
> >http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal#Track
> >and the principles of designing microformats
> >http://microformats.org/wiki/principles
> 
> and the evidence.

Thanks for getting to that :)

I have Just finished a study on the haudio examples page, Gathering
evidence so to speak I thought you may be Interested In the results...

The Question was do our examples show real world usage of people using
the word TRACK as a way to describe a single audio file?

at first looking at the results of previous efforts provided buy Manu it
would at first seem judging by the results that TRACK is widely used.

In the Analysis of Music Services

 85%: of the examples are using tracks

wow a lot I thought, so i thought Ill have another look I'm wrong so it
seems I want to know why?

The first thing I spotted was that someone seems to have spammed the
word "track" 100's of times all over our model examples and results,
making them as far as i can see unusable, Vandalized almost

Then I noticed this

iTunes RSS
extensions (http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html#_Toc526931673) 
              * Properties: track title, album title, track sample,
                album genre, album cover image, track artist, track
                length, description, track release date, track format,
                track id, track summary, album owner, album owner
                e-mail, album website, album language, track tags, album
                licensing

I have been a keen podcaster for years and TRACK does not exist in
iTunes RSS so how do we get those properties? from a document with NO
TRACK

another

Vorbis Comment
Recommendations (http://reactor-core.org/ogg-tagging.html) 
              * Properties: album artist, track title, album title,
                album label, album release date, track number, album
                genre, album cover image, track artist, track length,
                description, track release date, track album, track
                label, track genre, album license, track composer, track
                album title, track summary, track copyright, album part
                number, track cover image, track arranger, album
                comment, track location, album copyright, track disc
                number, album arranger, album isrc, album ensemble,
                track file type, album encoding, album ean/upn, track
                lyrics, track isrc, track conductor, track genres, track
                ensemble, album conductor, track part, track lyricist,
                track part number, album performer, album part, album
                version, track version, track comment, track opus, album
                author, track source media, album composer, track
                encoding, track encoded-by, track author, track
                performer, track label number, album location, track
                tags, album disc number, track ean/upn, track license,
                album encoded-by, album lyricist, track creators, album
                source media, album label catalog number, album opus

WTF TRACK does not exist in Vorbis Comments either TRACKNUMBER YES as a
Decimal

So my own study 

I looked at every example manualy by hand, using Firefox 

do the examples show people using track?

http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-examples

Speech
http://www.microformats.org/blog/2005/09/30/web-essentials-audio/
NO 1
http://chris.pirillo.com/help/20060119_chuck_cummins_on_windows_vista_interface_design.phtml
NO 2
http://yukelzon.blogspot.com/2006/01/podcasts.html
NO 3
http://www.evilgeniuschronicles.org/wordpress/2006/01/12/egc-clambake-for-january-12-2006/
NO 4
http://www.bizbyjake.com/2006/01/how-are-you-doing.html
NO 5
http://btpodshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=56539
NO 6
http://reviews.cnet.com/4520-11455_7-6457370-1.html
NO 7
http://podcast.rubyonrails.org/
NO 8

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 Music Individual Publishing of Music 

http://www.bradsucks.net/music/
NO 9
http://www.scottandrew.com/music/
NO 10
http://www.hearingdouble.co.uk/dumb/index2.html
UNAVAILABLE

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 Music Podcasting

http://www.coverville.com/
NO 11
http://magnatune.com/podcasts/details/magnatune_middle-eastern_podcast_2006_12_14
NO 12
http://www.mutantpop.net/radioclash/archives/2007/03/24/rc-113/
NO  13
http://btpodshow.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=56721
NO  14
http://indiecastwp.podshow.com/?p=76
NO  15
http://www.accidenthash.com/2007/04/02/gray-wet-yuck-monday/
NO 16
http://veercast.com/2007/05/31/episode-20-tranforming-you-into-stds-since-1983/
NO 17
http://threehive.libsyn.com/index.php?post_id=111596
NO 18

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Mashups, remixes, cut-ups and audio-collages

http://viprhealthcare.typepad.com/mashup_of_the_week_podcas/
NO 19
http://bannedmusic.org/
UNAVAILABLE
http://illegalart.org/
NO MEDIA AVAILABLE
http://ccmixter.org/media/view/media/playlists
NO 20

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Top Lists (Charts)

http://top40.about.com/od/onthecharts/tp/top071007.htm
NO 21
http://www.channel4.com/entertainment/tv/microsites/G/greatest/albums/results.html
NO 22
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/singles.shtml
NO 23
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/chart/downloads.shtml
NO 24
http://www.amazon.co.uk/2007s-Best-Singles-So-Far/lm/R1DMGDL2WC6DEK
NO 25
http://freakytrigger.co.uk/other-indexes/freaky-triggers-top-100-songs-of-all-time/
NO 26
http://freakytrigger.co.uk/other-indexes/freaky-triggers-top-100-songs-of-all-time/
NO 27
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_songs_in_English_labeled_the_best_ever
NOT FOUND 
http://billboard.com/bbcom/charts/chart_display.jsp?g=Singles&f=The
+Billboard+Hot+100
NO 28
http://www.nme.com/reviews/tracks/oftheyear
USES TRACKS to mean a collection
http://www.hearya.com/2007/02/14/top-100-indie-songs-of-all-time/
NO 29
http://www.rollingstone.com/news/story/5938174/the_rs_500_greatest_albums_of_all_time/
NO 30
http://www.theofficialcharts.com/top40_singles.php
NO 31
http://www.everyhit.com/worstever.html
NO 32

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 Service Publishing of Music

http://audiofind.ru/music/album/-/Lost%20Angel/Destination/?id=591
NO 33
http://bigpondmusic.com/Album/The-Decemberists/The-Crane-Wife.aspx
YES 1
http://www.bitmunk.com/view/media/6068744
YES 2
http://www.downloadpunk.com/?webaction=AlbumDetail&albumid=13202
NO 34
http://www.fye.com/Not-Too-Late-Music_stcVVproductId7456462VVcatId458211VVviewprod.htm
YES 3
http://imusic.libero.it/compilation.php?icom_id=105902&ptipo=pus&pid=171437
NO  35
http://www.omds.de/servlets/2452685121527Dispatch/31/Call?htmltemplate=./album/viewalbum.htm&lmtype=ALBUM&albumid=2310333
NO 36
http://musik.tdconline.dk/servlets/2452306090224Dispatch/19/call?htmltemplate=./album/viewalbum.htm&albumid=10783647
NO 37
http://www.audiolunchbox.com/album?a=75751
NO 38
http://chaos.com/product.asp?intProductID=739720&intArtistID=167488
Track Listing YES  4
http://store.connect-europe.com/albumDetailPage.do?albumId=3260785
UNAVAILABLE (LINUX)
http://www.digirama.co.nz/AlbumDetailsFeature.aspx?MediaID=578456
YES 5
http://www-v3.emusic.com/album/10917/10917324.html
UNAVAILABLE
http://www.fnacmusic.com/album/7088f214-6187-4845-afdc-6391e103f67d.aspx
NO 39
http://www.misrolas.com/downloadmusic/album.php?id=1316
NO 40
http://www.mtv.co.uk/shop/downloads
NO 41
http://musica360.com/
DEAD 42
http://www.musicload.de/item.ml?releaseid=1884260_2
NO 43
http://free.napster.com/view/album/index.html?id=12376484
YES 6
http://www.partymob.com/edl/details/default.aspx?album=2089814
NO 44
http://www2.peerimpact.com/contentstorage-xml/album30.do?templateName=WEB-INF/conversion-templates/album30.vm&albumId=89449
DEAD 45
http://www.puretracks.com/catalog/details.aspx?pid=warner_093624992899
USES TRACKS COLECTION 7
http://www.reggaecountry.com/shop/ItemInfo.aspx?AlbumID=10007
NO 46
http://www.rhapsody.com/harryconnickjr/chansonduvieuxcarrconnickonpiano3
YES 8
http://www.ruckus.com/ruckus/music/album.do?albumId=1405034
YES 9
http://www.sanity.com.au/product/product.asp?sku=2100360
YES 10
http://www.thecellcity.com/music/index.php?command=productquery&department=music&section=R+%26+B+and+Hip+Hop&startrecord=14&numrecords=13&cdmnomimematch=y&order=Rating
NO 47
http://www.top100.cn/
NO 48
http://www.wippit.com/GenreArtist.aspx?StrCatId=20&StrCatType=S
UNAVAILABLE
http://yanga.ru/music/album/-/Duke%20Ellington/Jack%20The%
20Bear/?id=28510
YES as a list 11
http://magnatune.com/artists/albums/ammonite-recon/
NO 49
http://www.songfight.org/artistpage.php?key=15-16_puzzle&sortkey=date
NO 50
http://www.yes.com/
NO 51
http://myspace.com/theradioknives
NO 52
http://musicbrainz.org/release/1138abc1-77f4-4ba9-900d-5cf52baaf4bf.html
NO 53
http://reactor-core.org/ogg-tagging.html
NO but Not MUSIC ?
http://www.apple.com/itunes/store/podcaststechspecs.html#_Toc526931673
NO NOT MUSIC  ?
http://www.discogs.com/release/705805
YES as a LIST 12

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 In-active Music Services

NONE Anylized

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Discographies

http://soundtrackcollector.net/catalog/soundtrackdetail.php?movieid=9659
YES 13
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dark_side_of_the_moon
YES 14

100% YES

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Result

21% of 67 available examples DO use Track or Tracklist

89% of 67 available examples DO NOT use Track or Tracklist

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Im truthfully appaled that Our Model that we found all our debates on Is
wildly inaccurate? 

I Really dont think that we can have a clear Idea of what hAudio is
Until our our examples are re-studied without the use of a program.

But really who is going to do that? not me? again?

I have No Intrest now 

Do what you will I wont be using hAudio 

Martin

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