[uf-new] hAudio ISSUE #8: hAlbum is redundant

[Martin McEvoy]

On Fri, 2007-09-28 at 11:34 -0400, Manu Sporny wrote:
> Martin McEvoy wrote:
> > ...listening to
> >  <div class="haudio">
> >   <div class="item">
> >         <span class="media-title">May the Rain</span>
> >   </div>
> >  found on <span class="haudio-title">Paper Tigers</span>
> > </div>
> > by...
> > 
> > *Item* works here as a root class on its own and is used as a semantic
> > finger pointing out the interesting or important parts...
> 
> Sorry Martin, I missed this e-mail for some reason until just now. 

No worries:) I had the same problems with one of your posts to the
list...

> I
> agree with you in concept, we need /something/ to point out that one
> haudio is a part of another haudio (containers and items in those
> containers).
> 
> We are, however, barred from using 'item' because it was previously
> defined as this in hReview and we can't change it's definition:

The definition Is perhaps incorrect?

When to take into account that ITEM means something entirely different
in other cases consider RSS.. millions of feeds synicated all over the
world in every language all using the same term ITEM

http://cyber.law.harvard.edu/rss/rss.html#hrelementsOfLtitemgt

another example

http://web.resource.org/rss/1.0/modules/audio/

the definition here certainly matches the ITEM definition I am proposing
for hAudio do you think?

> 
> item info. required. fn (url || photo ) | hCard (for person or business)
>            | hCalendar (for event)
> 
> That means that we cannot put an hAudio in ITEM. Got any other
> suggestions? The best we've been able to come up with thus far has been
> TRACK or SECTION.
> 
> > I am also suggesting parts that can be reused in other media related
> > uF's, item and media-title.

Just *title* would be great but...we know the story on that one:)

> 
> Again, I agree with you in principle... it's just a matter of word
> choice. We can re-use TRACK in CDs, albums, and possibly DVDs. However,
> we can't do that in movies, podcasts, or other container formats. That
> is why I suggested that we use SECTION instead of TRACK. We can use
> SECTION in CDs, albums, movies, television episodes, podcasts and other
> container formats.
> 
> > hItem technically I would say already exists as a uF on its own wouldn't
> > you?
> 
> Nope, I wouldn't go that far. ITEM does exist, but it already has
> pre-defined semantics that, while we would like to change, attempting to
> do so in the past has been disastrous[1].

how about breaking title off from hCard so we can explore title In other
contexts I mean *Title* , and *Item* in the real world has so many
definitions why hog them up in such a ways that it makes it impossible
to be used in other uF's ? this seems bad to me!

> 
> >> What about using SECTION instead of TRACK? It could be used in hVideo
> >> and hAudio. SECTION makes sense for albums, podcasts, clips, television,
> >> movies... but doesn't really work for charts or playlists.
> > 
> > ...how do you summarise section? 
> 
> You could use the proposed DESCRIPTION element, if it is approved and if
> there is enough evidence for it.
> 
> http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-proposal#Description
> 
> -- manu

Thanks 

Martin_

> 
> [1]http://microformats.org/discuss/mail/microformats-new/2007-June/000511.html
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