[uf-new] hAudio 1.0 Draft Release

[Manu Sporny]

Martin McEvoy wrote:
> In Microformats this means that if a propery is used more than 80% of
> the time then it should be included in the format, this will result in
> the top 20% of all discovered properties making their way into the final
> Microformat.

You continue to contradict yourself, which is why we're having such a
hard time with your argumentation, Martin. Your statement above makes no
sense. Let's break it down and use some real numbers to see why:

Martin McEvoy wrote:
> In Microformats this means that if a propery is used more than 80% of
> the time then it should be included in the format,

We'll call this Statement A. If we were to hold this true, then we would
be left with these properties for hAudio. We would pick only the
properties that were used in at least 80% of all sites:

# album artist: 95.12%
# track title: 90.24%
# album title: 87.80%
# album tracks: 80.49%

then you go on to state this:

Martin McEvoy wrote:
> this will result in the top 20% of all discovered properties making
> their way into the final Microformat.

Let's call this Statement B. If we were to hold this true, then out of
"all discovered properties", of which there are 163 properties[1], we
would be left with the top 32 properties:

20% of 163 = 32.6

More specifically, we would be left with these properties for hAudio:

album artist                       : 95.12%
track title                        : 90.24%
album title                        : 87.80%
album tracks                       : 80.49%
album release date                 : 73.17%
album cover image                  : 73.17%
track number                       : 70.73%
album label                        : 68.29%
track sample                       : 68.29%
track web-based purchase           : 60.98%
album web-based purchase           : 60.98%
album genre                        : 58.54%
track artist                       : 56.10%
track length                       : 51.22%
track price                        : 51.22%
album price                        : 48.78%
description                        : 39.02%
album format                       : 26.83%
track release date                 : 26.83%
album sample                       : 24.39%
album length                       : 21.95%
track album                        : 17.07%
track genre                        : 14.63%
album physical-based purchase      : 14.63%
track label                        : 14.63%
track format                       : 14.63%
album bitrate                      : 12.20%
album number of tracks             : 12.20%
album reviews                      : 12.20%
track rating                       : 9.76%
track album title                  : 9.76%
album license                      : 7.32%

Quite clearly, Statement A and Statement B say two different things.
However, you state that because of Statement A, Statement B follows -
even though both statements are talking about the same thing and they
contradict each other. You have to pick either Statement A OR Statement
B - not both.

We're stating that Statement B is the correct understanding of the
Pareto Principle as applied to hAudio. You are saying that both of them
are the correct understanding - again, a contradiction.

Just to be clear, here's what you said:

Martin McEvoy wrote:
> In Microformats this means that if a propery is used more than 80% of
> the time then it should be included in the format, this will result in
> the top 20% of all discovered properties making their way into the
> final Microformat.

It is because you keep repeating statements like this that I don't think
there is a good reason to remove category, description, sample, payment,
or price from hAudio. The removal of all of these properties is based on
the statement you have made above - which is a logical fallacy.

-- manu

[1]http://microformats.org/wiki/audio-info-services-ufa