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= Job Listing Brainstorming =
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<entry-title>Job Listing Brainstorming</entry-title>
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Ideas for a possible [[job-listing]] microformat.
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Per the [[process]], this page documents brainstorm proposals for publishing job listings as research towards the development of a [[job-listing]] microformat.
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All proposals should be based upon the research in:
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* [[job-listing-examples]]
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* [[job-listing-formats]]
== Fields from examples ==
== Fields from examples ==
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[[User:FilipCte|Filip C.T.E.]]
[[User:FilipCte|Filip C.T.E.]]
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==Bruce Stockwell==
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I concur with [[User:FilipCte|Filip C.T.E.]]. A vacant or new position at a company can be represented in its basic form by [http://microformats.org/wiki/hlisting-proposal the hListing proposal]. [http://microformats.org/wiki/measure hMeasure] and [http://microformats.org/wiki/currency-proposal hCurrency] could handle the salary as it would the monetary value of any basic listing. Describing optional and required skill set items needs more discussion.
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[[User:BruceStockwell|Bruce Stockwell]]
==Andy Mabbett==
==Andy Mabbett==
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**I disagree, "vacancy" has no context. It could refer to anything - eg "hotel vacancy". - Quint
**I disagree, "vacancy" has no context. It could refer to anything - eg "hotel vacancy". - Quint
***In which case, "job-vacancy" or just "job"? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
***In which case, "job-vacancy" or just "job"? [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]]
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** Couldn't one just use "job" or "opportunity" and use other attributes to define the type of job/opportunity [[User: Amodal1 | Robert Cooksey]]
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**** A job is a offering to the market for someone to fill so using the 3 attributes from the hlisting spec Listing Type="Offer", Listing Action = "Announce" and Item Type ="Opening" describe a job opening. [[User:Mspecht|Michael Specht]]
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*** For instance: contract, submission, full-time, part-time, etc.
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*** This would allow for an opportunity (job, call for papers, etc.) that could be differentiated by attributes of type and availability status (open, closed, conditional, etc.)
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*** Also, the word "available" seems more flexible should one want to allow for just an expression that expresses openness without too much specificity
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==Christian Pfetzing==
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* While this makes perfect sense from a specialist's back-end view, I'm not sure that I would ever look for a requisition (actually positive that I wouldn't) [[User:Amodal1| Robert Cooksey]]
* While this makes perfect sense from a specialist's back-end view, I'm not sure that I would ever look for a requisition (actually positive that I wouldn't) [[User:Amodal1| Robert Cooksey]]
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** Is there another word than job or requisition that captures all of each and is used in common parlance?
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*** Employment?
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==See also==
==See also==
*[http://www.twict.gov.uk/jobs.asp Joined Up Jobs] (job syndication initiative in UK local government)
*[http://www.twict.gov.uk/jobs.asp Joined Up Jobs] (job syndication initiative in UK local government)
*[[currency]] - proposed microformat for marking-up amounts of money (for salary, wage, payment, earnings)
*[[currency]] - proposed microformat for marking-up amounts of money (for salary, wage, payment, earnings)
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==Robert Cooksey==
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(hello everyone, my first post, I'll get to creating my user page[[User: Amodal1 | Robert Cooksey]] )
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* The idea of extending the hListing proposal sounds like a good one.
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** This simplifies the models to more generic containers with detail coming from attribute values
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** It also utilizes the time tested models of information organization on sites such as craigslist and paper models such as classifieds while adding the semantic specificity that allows the data to be utilized by systems in widely divergent varieties by agents--human and digital
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* Questions concerning this:
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** Is there another word than job or requisition that captures all of each and is used in common parlance?
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** Would "offer" be the best action for this? Maybe "opportunity" or something of which I'm not thinking?
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*** A general enough heading for this action in hListing would allow for a breakdown in terms of type of different forms
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*** The suggestion of type could accept values such as:
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**** contract, submission (for calls for conferences, publications, etc.), full-time, part-time, etc.
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**** This would allow for an opportunity (job/employment, call for papers, etc.) that could be differentiated by attributes of type and availability status (open, closed, conditional, etc.)
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** Also, the word "available" seems more flexible should one want to allow for just an expression that expresses openness without too much specificity, but the expiration date might catch-that. What if open-until-filled?
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* One last suggestion is to add "experience" to the list Filip posted above
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** While many job listers search for skills and education level, number of years experience are also used at least as often
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==Michael Specht==
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Agree the hlisting format looks like it could easily be extended to meet the initial needs of a job posting, assuming we look at a job posting as a classified ad not from the view point of a recruiter. One of the issues that limited the take up of HRXML in the early days was it's complexity, experienced gained here in Australia trying to get vendors to support the format. The list of elements above seems to describe a job from an HR/recruitment point of view not a classifieds point of view.
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I see the biggest issue with the hlisting format being how to handle: salary, skills, type, industry and application process.
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== Jeff Donner ==
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For tech jobs at least, it'd be nice to have /graded/ requirements for skills, whether measured in years experience, general goodness, or how important to the position (1-5 say; 5 absolutely required, 1 lightly used, only nice-to-have). Also, Visa requirements (H1B, citizen, green card ...), security clearance, whether remote work is ok. And actually, all of these are applicable to general jobs as well. -- [[User:JeffDonner|Jeff Donner]]
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== Juraj Sivak ==
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Hi, I am student of Technical University of Kosice, and my theme of final paper is Semantic web - Microformats. Part of my task is to design some kind of microformat. I began to evolve microformat for job offer, regardless of this brainstorming. My proposed scheme of this microformat is as follows:
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* job-offer
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** employer - name of employer (hCard)
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** position - Type of job vacancy (ISCO)
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** description - scope of employment
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** salary/wage - sallary or wage
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*** currency
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** adr - locality of job
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** employment - type of employment
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** dtstart - start-date of employment
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** dtend - end-date of employment
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** duration - duration of employment
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** last-modified - last update
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** requirements
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*** education-level - education level
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**** scope - scope of education
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*** experience - experiences like PC experience, practice, driving license...
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**** duration/level - duration or level of experience
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*** skill
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**** assumption - assumption like flexibility, communicativeness...
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**** language - language skill
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***** level - level of language skill
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I am sorry for my english. I am just pre-intermediate.
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[[User:Juraj|Juraj Sivak]]
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== see also ==
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* [[job-listing]]
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* [[job-listing-examples]]
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* [[job-listing-formats]]
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* [[job-listing-brainstorming]]

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Per the process, this page documents brainstorm proposals for publishing job listings as research towards the development of a job-listing microformat.

All proposals should be based upon the research in:

Contents

Fields from examples

(see the job-listing-examples)

property xhtml-element description major/minor (+/-) priority
title h# title of the job, e.g. 'Project-Manager for Customer-Service-Project' +
description class job-description +
company hcard +
company size class +
company logo class -
multimedia class -
location adr +
start & end date dtstart & dtend  :or should we use dstart for the date the ad is posted,
and dtend for the closing date for aplications?
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contract) class +
part time|temporary|
temp to hire|seasonal|internship)
class +
hours/week class +
salary base class (see currency) +
salary max class (see currency) +
wage/hour class (see currency) +
education class
certification class
years class
skill class management can fall under skill
years class
required class
benefit class
holiday allowance expressed in days or weeks?
contact hcard
time posted date-time (is this dtstart? See above)
relocation covered class
job function class (if absent, fall back to title?)
travel required class
industry tag on company?
language of job-listing class @lang on containing element (or use page's language)
job-language class mainlanguage spoken with colleagues
applicationmaterial class e.g. cv, worksamples, licenses, greencard
organisationalid class number or phrase - large enterprises have an unique id for a specific job offer
applicationurl class Some companies require applicants to fill out application forms online


Filip Chereches-Tosa

Filip C.T.E.

Bruce Stockwell

I concur with Filip C.T.E.. A vacant or new position at a company can be represented in its basic form by the hListing proposal. hMeasure and hCurrency could handle the salary as it would the monetary value of any basic listing. Describing optional and required skill set items needs more discussion.

Bruce Stockwell

Andy Mabbett

"job-listing" is clunky, would "vacancy" be a better name?

Christian Pfetzing

What about "job-offer"? Reason: People with low english-skills often know "offer" but not "vacancy". On the other hand: Why not easily "job"? With an attribute you can specify if it is a "job-offer" or a "job-application". So human beeings/job-platforms can easily compare "offers" and "applications". Manually (humans) or automatic (machines) -- Christian 05:48, 28 Apr 2007 (PDT)

Darren Bounds

Keep in mind the internationally recognized term in the ATS industry is "requisition". This is also defined in the HRXML specification.

While I believe other non-standard options should be considered, it does not appear as though the hResume specification gave any consideration to HRXML, which does have a large adoption for backend transations regarding HR data (including resumes and requisitions).


See also

Robert Cooksey

(hello everyone, my first post, I'll get to creating my user page Robert Cooksey )

Michael Specht

Agree the hlisting format looks like it could easily be extended to meet the initial needs of a job posting, assuming we look at a job posting as a classified ad not from the view point of a recruiter. One of the issues that limited the take up of HRXML in the early days was it's complexity, experienced gained here in Australia trying to get vendors to support the format. The list of elements above seems to describe a job from an HR/recruitment point of view not a classifieds point of view.

I see the biggest issue with the hlisting format being how to handle: salary, skills, type, industry and application process.

Jeff Donner

For tech jobs at least, it'd be nice to have /graded/ requirements for skills, whether measured in years experience, general goodness, or how important to the position (1-5 say; 5 absolutely required, 1 lightly used, only nice-to-have). Also, Visa requirements (H1B, citizen, green card ...), security clearance, whether remote work is ok. And actually, all of these are applicable to general jobs as well. -- Jeff Donner

Juraj Sivak

Hi, I am student of Technical University of Kosice, and my theme of final paper is Semantic web - Microformats. Part of my task is to design some kind of microformat. I began to evolve microformat for job offer, regardless of this brainstorming. My proposed scheme of this microformat is as follows:

I am sorry for my english. I am just pre-intermediate. Juraj Sivak

see also

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