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*Railway Stations, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Barr_railway_station Perry Barr] | *Railway Stations, e.g. [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perry_Barr_railway_station Perry Barr] | ||
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*See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats] | *See also [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:WikiProject_Microformats WikiProject Microformats] and Wikipedia's [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Persondata Persondata], which aligns very closely with hCard, but has additional date and place of birth & death fields. [[User:AndyMabbett|Andy Mabbett]] 13:10, 28 Jan 2007 (PST) | ||
====Telephone Directory Listings==== | ====Telephone Directory Listings==== |
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Advocacy
A lot can be done to help advocate the use of microformats. Often, simply by taking an existing site, and adding the suggested microformatting to a few of its pages as examples is all that is necessary to help the developers of the site add the microformats to the site itself. Applications, such as browsers, could also use some guidance on how to best support microformats.
Sometimes advocacy requires comparison and analysis of alternative technologies or approaches. As Mike Schinkel pointed out, we need good answers to comments like "No, we're going to use XXX instead...".
The goal for this page is to include pointers for how to advocate microformats on new sites and on existing sites that are considering or using alternative approaches, as well as applications that can benefit from supporting microformats.
For general resources for marketing microformats, see spread-microformats.
Adding Microformats to Existing Sites
Add sites here that you think would benefit from the addition of microformats. For now they are grouped by the microformat which would primarily benefit the site. Feel free to take a look at some of the sites on this list, document sample pages to be microformatted, add microformats to them, and then add the before/after of the key sections of mark-up to another wiki page for that site.
hCard
Adding hCard to these sites would make them quite handy for their users and for being indexed:
Online Profiles
Nearly every website that has a login has a page representing the public profile of the user that other users can see and interact with. Many such sites already support hCard (e.g. ClaimID.com, Flickr.com, Technorati.com, Zooomr.com). Here are some that I think would benefit from the addition of hCard to their profile / user pages. Feel free to add more such sites that have a social network profile-like component and I'll see what I can do. Tantek 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Twitter.com - working on it Tantek 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Consumating.com - working on it Tantek 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Wikimedia - including this site, Wikipedia (See WikiProject Microformats), Wikitravel, etc.
- It would be nice if [[User:YOURNAME]] links generated proper (mini)hCards. (per SteveIvy; moved from 'to-do')
Online Venues
There are many sites that offer pages that represent organizations and venues that could benefit from being marked up with hCard. Yahoo Local venues are marked up with hCards for example. Here are some more sites that have venues that would benefit from hCard markup.
- Dodgeball venues.
- Yelp.com
Wikpedia hCard
- Infobox Templates for people to add hCard to their generated markup
- Infobox_Biography
- Infobox_actor which should result in actor pages, e.g. Humphrey Bogart's page, being properly hCarded.
- Addressable buildings e.g. The Old Crown, Birmingham
- Tourist attractions, e.g. Cadbury World
- Companies, e.g. Tesco (note headquarters address in infobox)
- Motorway service stations, e.g. Watford Gap
- Railway Stations, e.g. Perry Barr
- etc.
- See also WikiProject Microformats and Wikipedia's Persondata, which aligns very closely with hCard, but has additional date and place of birth & death fields. Andy Mabbett 13:10, 28 Jan 2007 (PST)
Telephone Directory Listings
Telephone Directory Listings could usefully apply hCard to their results pages. Andy Mabbett 03:10, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
e.g. (please add other examples!):
- BT
- Requested via BT feedback form, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- BT confirm that they will consider this at their next re-build. 2006-12 Andy Mabbett
- 118118.com
- Requested via e-mail, 2006-11-13. Andy Mabbett
Postal (ZIP) code Finders
Postal code Finders could usefully apply hCard to their results pages. Andy Mabbett 12:09, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
e.g. (please add other examples!):
- Royal Mail (UK)
- Requested via Royal Mail feedback form, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- Acknowledged 2006-11-30. Andy Mabbett
Government hCard
UK Gov. hCard
- Parliament: Alphabetical List of Members of Parliament (see also other lists of MPs and Lords). Andy Mabbett
Europe Gov. hCard
- e.g. UK MEPs
Organization Contacts
Many companies and organizations have about or contact pages that could benefit from being marked up with hCard. Technorati's contact page for example is both marked up with hCard and has a convenient "Add to Address Book" hCard to vCard converter link. The following company sites could benefit from similar markup (and, until user agents support hCards natively, "Add to Address Book" links). Tantek 17:44, 13 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Adobe
- Adobe offices
- Requested using contact form, 2006-12-14. Andy Mabbett
- Adobe offices
- Google
- Contacts, e.g. Google USA, Google UK, etc.
- Mozilla
- Opera
- People, e.g. Håkon Wium Lie; could also be hResume
- W3C
- W3C contact
- W3C Staff listing and individual pages, e.g. Tim Berners-Lee
- Requested by e-mail. Andy Mabbett
Other hCard
- Internet Movie Database (IMDb) for people (real, not characters), e.g. Humphrey Bogart. Andy Mabbett 02:49, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
- Can't find contact info! Andy Mabbett
- Wikitravel
- e.g. Wikitravel - Birmingham
- Wikitravel is about to hugely roll out hCard Mark Jaroski
- See also Wikitravel:Microformats
- e.g. Wikitravel - Birmingham
hCalendar
hCalendar could be used on these sites:
W3C track at WWW2006
- DanC offers a 150 point bounty to anybody who takes the W3C track at WWW2006 and adds hCalendar markup and sends it to connolly@w3.org,www-archive@w3.org
Television listings
- A major coup would be to get one of the major players (the BBC, Sky, or PBS, say), to mark up their TV or radio listings with hCalendar - does anyone have contacts in such an organisation? Andy Mabbett 10:53, 21 Oct 2006 (PDT)
- Does anyone have URLs to the TV or radio listings of the major players? Getting those URLs would be the next step, and then doing the markup ourselves would be the next step after that. Tantek 13:02, 21 Oct 2006 (PDT)
e.g. (please add other examples!):
- Radio Times (BBC, UK)
- Requested by e-mail Andy Mabbett
- TV Times (UK)
- Requested by e-mail 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- BBC main listings (e.g. BBC One)
- Requested by BBC Feedback Form 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- "We're currently looking at using the event microformat on the redesigned radio 4 schedule page (and possibly throughout bbc.co.uk/radio4" 2007-01-14 per email.
Government hCalendar
UK Gov. hCalendar
- DTI: Bank Holidays (not Scotland)
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- Response: "At the moment we have no plans to use hCalendar or hCard coding due to unresolved concerns about accessibility issues (especially text-to-speech readers), however, we thank you for your suggestion."
- Request for clarification of concerns unanswered.
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- E-petitions (in draft, and asking for suggested improvements}
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 Andy Mabbett 11:47, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
- reply: "I've added it to our list of ideas." 2006-12-04 Andy Mabbett 11:07, 4 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 Andy Mabbett 11:47, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Scottish Executive Bank Holidays
- Requested by Scottish Executive feedback form, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
Sports Fixtures
e.g. (please add other examples!):
- PremiumTV (UK, Soccer, has a page for each team)
- Aston Villa
- West Bromwich Albion
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
- "webmaster@" bounced. Andy Mabbett
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-13 Andy Mabbett
Concert/ Theatre Listings
e.g. (please add other examples!):
- Birmingham Alive! (UK)
- Requested in person; now on "to do" list
- iCal share
- Requested by e-mail. 2007-01-14
hReview
hReview could be used on these sites:
Government hReview
UK Gov. hReview
- E-petitions (in draft, and asking for suggested improvements}
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 Andy Mabbett 11:48, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
- reply: "I've added it to our list of ideas." 2006-12-04 Andy Mabbett 11:08, 4 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 Andy Mabbett 11:48, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
Other hReview
- Internet Movie Database (IMDb) for film reviews, e.g. The Harder They Fall . AndyMabbett 02:49, 13 Nov 2006 (PST)
- Can't find contact info! Andy Mabbett
- Digital Photography Review
- Requested by feedback form, 2007-01-18. Andy Mabbett
- Steve's Digicams
- Requested by e-mail, 2007-01-18. Andy Mabbett
- The Birder's Library
- Requested; confirmed under development. Andy Mabbett
hAtom
hAtom could be used on these sites:
Government hAtom
UK Gov. hAtom
- E-petitions (in draft, and asking for suggested improvements}
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 Andy Mabbett 11:49, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
- reply: "I've added it to our list of ideas." 2006-12-04 Andy Mabbett 11:07, 4 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-01 Andy Mabbett 11:49, 1 Dec 2006 (PST)
Other hAtom
- TV Listings (see hCalendar, above)
- *MediaWiki (Wikipedia and other users, including this 'Wiki') - article histories
- Bug 7913 raised 2006-11-13. vote to add hAtom to the change log of media wiki pages Andy Mabbett
- IRC logs
- E-mailed. Andy Mabbett 10:29, 5 Dec 2006 (PST)
Geo
Adding "Geo" markup to these sites would make them even more useful:
- Wikipedia
- All articles on places, e.g. Wikipedia - Birmingham (note co-ordinates already present in infobox)
- See also WikiProject Microformats
- Upcoming
- Some events, e.g. Multipack February 2007 are tagged thus:
geo:lat=52.4784
,geo:lon=-1.9096
. This could be rendered as a geo microformat. Andy Mabbett - Geo requested on Upcoming wiki 2007-01-14
- Some events, e.g. Multipack February 2007 are tagged thus:
- U.S. Gazetteer e.g. [1]
- World Gazetteer e.g. [2]
- Requested by e-mail, 2007-01-20 Andy Mabbett
- GENUKI Gazetteer (UK & Ireland) e.g. [3]
- Requested via feedback form, 2007-01-20 Andy Mabbett
rel-tag
Google as rel-tag namespace
A Google search for 'sparrow' resolves to http://www.google.com/search?&q=sparrow, if not the unwieldy http://www.google.com/search?hs=TUz&hl=en&lr=&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&q=sparrow&btnG=Search - likewise http://www.google.com/search?&q=%22black+redstart%22 for ' "black redstart" '. If Google can be persuaded to also accept, say, http://www.google.com/search/sparrow and http://www.google.com/search/black_redstart as being equivalent (and assuming that the latter term searches for ' "black redstart" ', with the quote marks), then Google would become a namespace for rel-tag. Andy Mabbett 00:15, 29 Nov 2006 (PST)
VoteLinks
- I've added a request for vote-link support in Ma.gnolia's link rating system: Feature Suggestions on wiki.ma.gnolia.com
Various
- eBay (.com and localised versions)
- hCard - Buyer and seller address details.
- hCalendar - Auction end date/times.
- hReview - Feedback.
- hAtom - Recent purchases/ won/ lost/ watching etc.
- Requested by feedback form, 2006-12-05. Andy Mabbett
- eBay response of 2006-12-08
IT News sites
There is obviously a great deal of publicity to be gained, by having microformats used on sites about IT developments, which are likely to be read by people in a position to have microformats used, and microformat tools implemented, in their organisations. Please add to this list!
- The Register (UK)
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-14. Andy Mabbett
- Ziff-Davis media sites, e.g:
- Microsoft Watch
- Linux Watch
- Extreme Tech
- Web Buyer's Guide
- Requested at corporate level, 2006-12-14. Andy Mabbett
- .Net magazine (UK) (issue dated December 2006, has tutorial on microformats, by Rachel Andrew)
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-12-14. Andy Mabbett
- ...
Other high-profile IT sites
- Jakob Nielsen's 'Use It' and his Nielsen Norman Group
- Requested by e-mail, 2007-01-06. Andy Mabbett
- AtMedia2007
- Requested via feedback form, 2007-01-18. Andy Mabbett
- Are using hCard, but will not use hCalendar, saying: "There are aspects of hCalendar that we are not happy using in this situation [...] It surrounds the use of the abbr element, particularly surrounding times in a table cell (the schedule will be slotted into a table once it is ready)." 2007-01-20. Andy Mabbett
- ...
Science + Technology
- Eurekalert
- Requested via e-mail, 2007-01-20. Andy Mabbett
Adding Microformats to Applications
User-agents (browsers, etc.) should support microformats natively. For instance, a user should not need to use a third party application or web service to add address details or events from a microformat-using web page to their address book or calendar programme.
Browsers
In addition to the following, third-party developers should be encouraged to make their relevant browser add-ons microforamt aware; or to create new add-ons with microformat capabilities.
Firefox
Firefox developments
- Mozilla are "brainstorming" developments for Firefox 3.0 and beyond, and have a page on microformat handling at http://wiki.mozilla.org/Firefox/Feature_Brainstorming:Microformat_Handling
ReminderFox
- The makers of the ReminderFox extension have put hCalendar support on their ReminderFox "to do" list.
LinkAlert
- The LinkAlert extension could signal when a link is marked as a tag (likewise for other "rel" attributes). Andy Mabbett
- Requested by e-mail 2006-12-29. Andy Mabbett
- Response 2007-01-07: "Thank you for your feedback, I will consider adding [...] rel in a future update."
Opera
- First reference to "microformats" in the Opera forums. 2006-12-13 Andy Mabbett
- Opera Mini (and other browsers on telephones) could especially benefit from recognising the "tel" attributes of hCard, and allowing users to dial numbers found on-line.
- Proposed on forum 2006-12-13 Andy Mabbett
Screenreaders
- Screenreaders (e.g Jaws) could recognise telephone number components of hCards, to differentiate them from other strings of digits. Andy Mabbett 13:02, 9 Dec 2006 (PST)
- Additional to this, I believe that screen reader users would benefit from being able to recognise any of the microformats. For example, there is value in being verbally notified that a page contains "1 contact and 3 events", or being able to seek out rel attributes with help values. Frances Berriman
Publishing Platforms
Blogger
- Chris Messina is advocating more support in Blogger
Drupal
- There's a Drupal group for discussing/advocating/implementing microformats in Drupal
Plone
- Plone is an Open Source Content Management System (Plone on Wikipedia).
- See this 2005 Plone user comment
- Plone feature request for rel-tag
- Plone feature request for microformats, submitted 2007-01-06 Andy Mabbett
Adding Microformats to Web Services
30Boxes
- 30Boxes could accept a URL, parse the page for hCalendar microformats, then present a list to the user. These could be selected (via check-boxes) and uploaded. Andy Mabbett 13:41, 14 Jan 2007 (PST)
ClearForest
- ClearForest Semantic Web Services - uses natural language processing tools to recognise people, organisations, places, events and CVs (resumes) in web pages. Would benefit from recognising hCard, hResume, hCalendar, Geo, Adr, etc. Could also use them in its output. Andy Mabbett 05:09, 6 Dec 2006 (PST)
ma.gnolia
Upcoming
- Upcoming could accept a URL, parse the page for hCalendar microformats, then present a list to the user. These could be selected (via check-boxes) and uploaded. Andy Mabbett
Successes
hCard Successes
- Details of hCard should be added to the Internet Mail Consortium's vCard page
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-24 Andy Mabbett
- Success achieved 2006-11-25. Andy Mabbett
hCalendar Successes
- Details of hCalendar should be added to the Internet Mail Consortium's vCalendar page
- Requested by e-mail, 2006-11-24 Andy Mabbett
- Success achieved 2006-11-27. Andy Mabbett
Geo Successes
- Wikitravel
- All articles on places, e.g. Wikitravel guide to Birmingham, England
- See also Wikitravel:Microformats
- Success achieved 2006-12-13, per [4] see, for example, Wikitravel guide to Birmingham, England Andy Mabbett
Comparisons With Alternative Approaches
CalDAV
Brian Suda
The other great thing about exposing your data as microformats, is that the data becomes Open Data. Will the general public have access to the CalDAV? (probably not) and even if they did, it will probably only serve-up .ics files... what if i don't want ICS? i need to then hack that around to get it into the format that i want... if the data were in the HTML to begin with, then i could EASILY convert that to any format i wanted. Also, sites like http://pingerati.net/ will happily take in hCalendar data and aggregate it, make your data more valuable and easily slurped up by other providers - i don't see that happening as easily with a CalDAV.
Kevin Marks
With respect to CalDAV: I spoke to the CalDAV chaps at Apple about this, they have hCalendar support as a ticket in their db: http://trac.macosforge.org/projects/calendarserver/ticket/19