[uf-discuss] hReview feedback

Charles Iliya Krempeaux supercanadian at gmail.com
Tue Jan 17 11:42:17 PST 2006


We had some discussing before about using <img>'s and "alt" attributes.
And, if I remember what was decided before, then shouldn't this instead be:

<dfn class="rating" title="2 [0,5]"><img src="stars-2-0.gif" alt="* *"

See ya

On 1/15/06, Paul Bryson <paul at msn.com> wrote:
> "Paul Bryson" wrote...
> > "Ryan King" wrote...
> >> Yeah, AFAICT, there's no commonly used format for ranges used on the
> web
> >> (or elsewhere, for that matter), so we have little prior art in  terms
> of
> >> previous formats. However, we still have prior art in terms  of
> examples
> >> of emergent human behavior on the web.
> >
> > On the web, no.  Elsewhere?  Most certainly.  I think staticians would
> be a
> > little frustrated if they didn't have a common way to share information.
> > Now if that way is useful to us is something entirely different.
> I talked this over with some friends of mine, (mathematics PHD candidate,
> astronomy PHD candidate w/ BS in physics, and a candidate in computer E) and
> here is what they came up with.
> The way to express a number exists in a specific range is:
> x ∈ [y,z]
> This is the only existing standard that I know of, and it is extremely
> common in mathematics, so I think it is the only thing that can be pulled
> from.  The use of the "element of" symbol greatly complicates matters,
> and should be unnecessary in the context, so I would suggest it be dropped
> entirely.
> The format I would suggest is:
> x [y,z]
>  So in practice, to represent a rating of 4.3 in a range of 1 to 5
> inclusive would be:
> "4.3 [1,5]"
> With the lower limit dropped as a default value:
> "4.3 [5]"
> And with the lower and upper limit dropped as default values:
> "4.3"
> Then placing this in the TITLE attribute would allow the content creator
> to include the information in a way that isn't immediately visible to the
> end user, but still available.  To use an example from my earlier email:
> <img src="stars-2-0.gif" />
> would become
> <img src="stars-2-0.gif" class="rating" title="2 [0,5]" />
> It should also be easy to write, and for a parser to grab the information
> from the document, keeping in line with the "enable decentralized
> development of resources, tools..." goal of microformats.
> The only part of Microformats design goals that I'm not sure about is
> "human readable".  I have personally taken Calculus classes (one recently),
> so it immediately was clear to me what the idea meant, being something
> that was oft used there.  But I'm not sure that the average person would
> make the jump.
> What were people's impressions when they read it?  Did it make sense, or
> was it too obfuscated?  Is there a better way to simplify it further that
> would make more sense?
> Atamido
> More information about the concept available here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_(mathematics<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Element_%28mathematics>
> )
> And the "element of" symbol is
> &isin;  HTML
> #8712   decimal
> h2208  hex
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